vinmunoz Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Hi guys, I just bought Affinity 1.5 and found this problem when pulling shadows to a 100% or even least. here's a pic to best describe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinmunoz Posted December 11, 2016 Author Share Posted December 11, 2016 no respond from Affinity? at least to reassure that they will work for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verysame Posted December 11, 2016 Share Posted December 11, 2016 Is there a point where the two matches or get close? Say, 50% shadows in AP correspond to 100% shadows in PS? It might be that AP pushes the shadows too much. I noticed the opposite is happening with the highlights: it seems I can push them in PS whereas in AP I can push them to about 60-50%, past that point there's no more info to recover whereas I have more info in PS (much more). That said, so far it did work for me as I didn't need to push the highlights more than that (nor the shadows), and overall when pushing highlights/shadows too much, the image start looking unnatural, but of course that's only based on personal choice. Quote Andrew - Win10 x64 AMD Threadripper 1950x, 64GB, 512GB M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD + 2TB, dual GTX 1080ti Dual Monitor Dell Ultra HD 4k P2715Q 27-Inch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinmunoz Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 even at 50% in AP you start to see the bad effects. try it yourself. that's not good especially for landscape photographers. New sensors can push that much especially Sony Cameras so this shadow recovery must yield a good result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJack Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Can you post the original? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDPR-365024 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yes, I can confirm the OP. I've brought a number of images into AP RAW (before this post) and there's been no issue however after reading the OP's post I explored with greater variable subject RAW's (including underexposed files) and indeed there's an issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJack Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 The example looks like you're moving the slider to the right (knocking down the shadow). To deepen, try moving it to the left...... -100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDPR-365024 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 As the topic heading is 'Pulling Shadows' then assumably that's what the OP wants to do - pull the shadows (ie lighten them to bring back detail) not darken them (ie pushing). It looks like to me going by the posts above there's confusion with terminology. Paul Mudditt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJack Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 That's why I was asking for the original. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDPR-365024 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I wasn't suggesting the OP has terminology confusion. His examples clearly show the difference between AP and PS RAW with the shadows pulled 100% in both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted December 12, 2016 Staff Share Posted December 12, 2016 Hi vinmunoz, Welcome to Affinity Forums :) We already have this issue logged to be looked at. Thanks for the heads-up. vinmunoz 1 Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software | Affinity Quick Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinmunoz Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 Thanks for all the replies. I'm shooting with Sony A7RII and one of the advantage of having it is it's ability to pull shadows and highlights. It's like HDR technique is a thing of the past. So pulling shadows is really important to me. in fact here's another sample of a file from a 1" sensor sony P&S(Sony RX100V) i know this is an extreme example but i did that on purpose. https://www.flickr.com/photos/49225452@N08/31483711682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinmunoz Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 Hi vinmunoz, Welcome to Affinity Forums :) We already have this issue logged to be looked at. Thanks for the heads-up. no update on this issue yet? or you're still working on it? i understand it's not an easy issue. just making sure you're working on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinmunoz Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share Posted March 9, 2017 no news? i'm waiting to have this fix so I can unsubscribe to adobe's creativecloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinmunoz Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 new update 1.5.2 and still this issue exist. i'm only waiting this fix before I'll completely dump adobe. any news on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhotoNewbie Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Yeah, I have lots of trouble ending up with a useable photo when trying to lift the black face of the dog in my avatar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinmunoz Posted September 20, 2017 Author Share Posted September 20, 2017 i created a video for this problem. anon1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Un-La Posted September 24, 2017 Share Posted September 24, 2017 Another confirmation of this issue from the new iPad Pro. This is completely unusable and frustrating. It feels really bad to be stuck on a road with this. At this point, AP is hardly better than Snapseed app. Please, please fix this isuue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anon1 Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 same on desktop the option as of now is to use cheers hope that helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conrad2k Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The Shadows/Highlights issue still plagues AP. I have attached an file that shows my concern. In the top left is the unadjusted image in Lightroom., the lower left corner is dark and needs to have the shadows lightened. Similarly the sky could have it's highlights pulled down a little. In the top right I dragged the LR shadows slider all the way to the right and the Highlights slider all the way to the left. Not my preferred processing but it looks better. In the lower left is the same image in AP with Shadows slider dragged left, and the lower right is the same image with the Highlights slider dragged right. The results are a muddy mess. I tried less extreme uses of the each slider in AP but could never find a point that brought out the Shadows and dampened the highlights as clearly as LR does. I had the same result with the Mac 1.6.6 beta 7. Will the next beta address this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 39 minutes ago, conrad2k said: In the lower left is the same image in AP with Shadows slider dragged left, and the lower right is the same image with the Highlights slider dragged right. The results are a muddy mess. I tried less extreme uses of the each slider in AP but could never find a point that brought out the Shadows and dampened the highlights as clearly as LR does. Perhaps an obvious question, but since the AP sliders allow 200% changes, did you ever try adjusting both to 100% & comparing that to the LR 100% result? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conrad2k Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 You are correct. I was just moving the sliders to the max left or right. The result below is less muddy, but still awful. This is how it compares to Lightroom. Can you replicate it R C-R? I forgot to mention that this uses AP's "normal" blend mode. I have tried others and "Screen" is not so muddy at +- 100%, but it does not definition in the clouds or the shadows that LR has by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I know nothing about using Lightroom, but from your screenshot its sliders go to "100" but there is no "%" indicated, so perhaps that does not directly compare to the % values for AP's sliders? If instead of using those numeric values you try to match the histograms in the two apps, does AP good any better? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conrad2k Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Interesting idea, R C-R, no matter how I fuss with the sliders, I can't get a similar effect in the images or the histograms. I have tried it on similar landscapes shot with a Nikon d610 and the Fuji X-T2, with comparable awful results. Have you experienced this problem on you images? My solution so far is to develop images in Lightroom to take advantage of their Shadow and Highlights algorithm, and then transfer to AP to take advantage of it's strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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