robskinn Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 The word 'Embedded', was in relation to to the original conversation about 'Symbols' - I'd rather not get in a discussion about the validity of word-play in what is meant to be an open and helpful community - you can come down from your high horse now. Thank you Sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) You might misunderstand my goal. The terms "embedded" and "linked" have specific meanings in Affinity. To understand what is meant + caused we need to handle the words in this Affinity way. It becomes even more complex if you choose for an embedded resource to make it linked. Then Affinity doesn't auto-link it to a possibly existing file on your computer (which you initially may have used to embed it) but may create a new file on your disk instead. That may cause confusion if you alter the "wrong" instance of this file. A similar misunderstanding occurs occasionally in forums post when the terms "open" | "import" | "place" are written without differentiation. It took me a while first to understand and then to accept the use of "current" in Affinity when I was trying to output a "current page", which in Affinity is, different than expected, not the page in focus of the main / layout window and even may be invisible there and also is not the page which is selected in the pages panel, indicated by a blue border. Edited June 18, 2021 by thomaso R C-R 1 Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithferion Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Well, at least you can save your Symbols in the Assets Panel and use them any time you use the application... And if you want to change the Symbol only for that Document, it'll work well and you'll always have your stored original Symbol available. Best regards! Quote AMD FX 8350 :: Radeon HD 5670 :: Windows 10 :: http://mithferion.deviantart.com/ Oxygen Icons :: GCP Icons :: iOS 11 Design Resources :: iOS App Icon Template :: Free Quality Fonts (Commercial Use) :: Public Domain Images How to do High Quality Art :: Mesh Warp / Distort Tool Considerations :: Select Same / Object - Suggestions :: Live Glassmorphism Effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 hours ago, thomaso said: It took me a while first to understand and then to accept the use of "current" in Affinity when I was trying to output a "current page"... I am still not sure I understand the logic of this when a two page spread is selected (indicated by the grey border in the Pages panel) -- it seems that it is always the left (verso) or top (if arranged vertically) page that is exported, never the right (recto) or bottom one. Am I missing something or is the current page always the lower numbered one of a two page spread, making it impossible to export just the higher numbered one? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, R C-R said: Am I missing something or is the current page always the lower numbered one of a two page spread, making it impossible to export just the higher numbered one? Yes, it seems that "current page" is always the lower-numbered page of the spread during Export. So if you want to export the higher-numbered one, you need to do it by specifying All Pages and the page number. R C-R 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Yes, it seems that "current page" is always the lower-numbered page of the spread during Export. So if you want to export the higher-numbered one, you need to do it by specifying All Pages and the page number. Thanks! I had forgotten about the All Pages + page number(s) option. I think it would be easier to understand/less confusing if there was a "Selected Pages" item in the Area menu & only if it was selected would there be an option to enter page number(s). As it is, it is possible to override "All Spreads" & "All Pages" by entering one or more page numbers with either one, contradicting the "all" in both of them. I also think the either "Current Page" or "Current Spread" should be selectable, depending on if the document uses two page spreads or not, but never both choices selectable. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 25 minutes ago, R C-R said: I am still not sure I understand the logic of this when a two page spread is selected Yes, this issue still exists. It is a kind of linguistic magic that the term "current page" can never denote a right page solely if it has a left neighbor. Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, R C-R said: I also think the either "Current Page" or "Current Spread" should be selectable, depending on if the document uses two page spreads or not, but never both choices selectable. Not true. You can enable yourself to output a current right page only: The condition is you must have something selected on this page. The "all" problem could be solved by radio buttons which react with the pages field. Would also be simpler without the need to open a menu. The most weird wording occurs to me in the German version: While English distinguishes between pages and spreads, the Affinity UI says in German Seiten (pages) and Layoutseiten (layout pages), instead of Druckbögen (spreads). So it's not only meant to output a current single right page, its also not expected to layout a single page at all Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, thomaso said: Not true. You can enable yourself to output a current right page only: The condition is you must have something selected on this page. Thanks. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, thomaso said: Not true. You can enable yourself to output a current right page only: The condition is you must have something selected on this page. i was going to say that doesn't work for me but I realized I was testing on a document that only had Master page content on the pair of facing pages I was exporting. In that special case it doesn't matter what I select -- it always exports the lower numbered document page. Yet another potential source of confusion. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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