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But but, you know that for Windows users and for Apple users that are not adverse to also running Windows, PP is a viable option?

 

Not that there are not native applications for the Mac, but I don't know of any that are both as capable and cost effective...

The cost effectiveness is diminished somewhat if you factor in the cost of buying Windows so you can run PP on a Mac.


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The cost effectiveness is diminished somewhat if you factor in the cost of buying Windows so you can run PP on a Mac.

The cost can be looked at as only the Windows cost as PP is almost nothing. And a new license for Windows is far less than a new license of QuarkXpress. It is also well less than a new license for the professional version of Viva Designer. And it is less than a few or more years of renting an Adobe solution.

 

Cost is relative to its comparitives.

 

And there are users here that already are running Windows on their Macs for other applications. For them it is the less cost solution, eh? And for those who are not running Windows on their Macs, that do not desire to rent from Adobe, it is still the lesser cost solution(s).

 

Or, the Mac users can simply wait for Apub and wait even longer for it to be useful for a broad range of layout work. Or bodge stuff together in whatever. I could actually care less. What is offered are solutions to layout work issues. What exactly would you propose?

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Mike, I'm not proposing anything, just pointing out that for Mac users there is more to it than the cost of PP alone.


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I belive any thinking person knows there are both intrinsic and real costs for the decision to not wait for APub. Even with the OpenSource Scribus there are costs, but it does operate on both platforms.

 

Let's suppose you do layout work, like books, magazines, newsletters and the like, for just a moment. And you did so in a production, single person environment. What would you do? What application path would you choose? Would there be a cost involved, both in time/effort and dollars?

 

While the above may be an academic exercise for you, it isn't to many people here that feel like they have been strung along, or perhaps just feel frustrated with the delay. I can guarantee that if someone pops in here and simply states "be patient" that they either have another layout application or simply do not do such work...or, perhaps a loyalist will bodge something together with AD whilst they await APub. But those who make that choice will not be dependent upon actual production because AD simply doesn't cut it.

 

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I have no way of knowing what any thinking person might think about, what knowledge they have of either platform, what their professional or non-professional needs might be, what budget restrictions might apply to them, what software they already own or are willing to buy & learn to use, or what their motivation is for the comments they make here.

 

However, I am reasonably sure that none of it is the same for everyone. On that basis, I posted something that I believe not everyone has thought about. Please don't make more of it than that.


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15 hours ago, Gareth Webber said:

I know you don't need another when will it come post but by all accounts running InDesign CS6 on AppFS is a no-no so you may have a few more impatient queriers soon.

High Sierra could be the big game changer. We really need Publisher soon. No pressure then.

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based on the "features" of High Sierra you can just as well not upgrade though :D (unless you constantly duplicate huge files or "use" the photos app)

 

really curious if we really see Pub this year, I think it was announced ( I honestly don't even know anymore ) but seems so surreal that this really is going to be released one day :ph34r::11_blush:

 

once it is released I will be looking at a solid visual remake of these tutorials :210_bear:


 

 

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On 21/09/2016 at 4:18 PM, Just J said:

Oh Publisher ! Where for art thou Publisher ? 

 

Indeed. Wherefore actually means 'Why' in the play (as in why are you from the wrong family?) I think this applies to Publisher too: Why oh why are we being strung along AND there being no Mac solution (even a basic one) in the meantime...

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4 hours ago, Moscool said:

 

Wherefore actually means 'Why' in the play (as in why are you from the wrong family?)

 

Quite so, which is why I asked

 

On 21/09/2016 at 7:44 PM, Alfred said:

 

On 21/09/2016 at 4:18 PM, Just J said:

Oh Publisher ! [Wherefore] art thou Publisher ? 

 

What do you think they should have called it instead? ears.gif

 

but @Just J never answered (and he hasn't made any further posts here, having apparently last visited these forums a few weeks after making that one).


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3 hours ago, Moscool said:

 

Indeed. Wherefore actually means 'Why' in the play (as in why are you from the wrong family?) I think this applies to Publisher too: Why oh why are we being strung along AND there being no Mac solution (even a basic one) in the meantime...

 

VivaDesigner is available for Mac, PC and several Linux distros. There is a free version for non-commercial use. The paid-for version is better. It is more or less comparable to what PagePlus was, but without much OpenType feature support (only ligatures). But it works. I have one client with offices in 3 countries that uses it, and therefore I do for them.

 

QuarkXPress. Also available Mac/PC, good OT feature coverage. Currently there is an upgrade from (just about) anything offer (including CorelDraw, nearly any Adobe product--even CC--PagePlus, etc.). As well, one currently gets pdfToolbox from callas. callas is the company that licenses the preflight module to Adobe for Acrobat. While it cannot edit the contents of a PDF directly, everything else about preflighting a pdf is there and more so than Acrobat. It includes a decent imposition module.

 

Scribus. Multi-OS capable.While it works and is getting slowly better, I absolutely hate using it. they have added OT Feature support.

 

If people need something capable for page layout now, there is no excuse to not investigate what is available. Well, other than you're not going to get the two commercial packages I mention for $50. But Scribus is, well, free. Just get one of these or something else and produce dollars or get that gratis work done.

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Swift publisher is also ok. On pc, pageplus is still best, although they don't support windows 10 so it might stop working sometime.

 

Xara designer pro on pc is a contender. I need software that can open pdf files successfully and not many can do that.

 

I tried quarkxpress 2017 and it didn't cope very well with complex pdf files unfortunately. Otherwise that would have been my solution.

 

As for publisher, I first saw discussions about it in 2015. Given the focus on ipad, I have a feeling it might never arrive.

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16 minutes ago, Magic-design said:

On pc, pageplus is still best, although they don't support windows 10 so it might stop working sometime.

 

PagePlus is now 'legacy' software, so there aren't going to be any further updates, but PagePlus X9 seems to work fine on Windows 10 for the time being.

 


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1 minute ago, Alfred said:

 

PagePlus is now 'legacy' software, so there aren't going to be any further updates, but PagePlus X9 seems to work fine on Windows 10 for the time being.

 

Yes, it works well for me, so that I do not have any current cravings for Affinity Publisher!


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1 minute ago, John Rostron said:

Yes, it works well for me, so that I do not have any current cravings for Affinity Publisher!

 

I'm interested to see what they do with APub, but I certainly don't have cravings for it! I expect it to have good OpenType support, as the other Affinity apps already do, but beyond that I won't be at all surprised if its capabilities fall quite far short of what PP was able to do several versions ago.


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25 minutes ago, Tia Lapis said:

Scribus has sadly a very unuseable GUI. Reminds me of many Windows and Linux programs. Just no taste 8(

 

Ugly can still work. If one is caught up in what a UI looks like, they must not need to pay the bills using it. Work-flow is another issue and I don't find that Scribus' work-flow is as efficient as other applications. I've still made money with it despite it being ugly. I just dislike using it.

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28 minutes ago, Magic-design said:

Swift publisher is also ok. On pc, pageplus is still best, although they don't support windows 10 so it might stop working sometime.

 

Xara designer pro on pc is a contender. I need software that can open pdf files successfully and not many can do that.

 

I tried quarkxpress 2017 and it didn't cope very well with complex pdf files unfortunately. Otherwise that would have been my solution.

 

As for publisher, I first saw discussions about it in 2015. Given the focus on ipad, I have a feeling it might never arrive.

 

I have used XDP since version 6. It can cope with a good range of PDFs, but it still fails with many, typically from AI or ID. 

 

I really don't get the concept that one needs a do-all application. Use what works best for the task at hand. I'll use ID & QXp for what they are intended for. XDP is not and never will be a usable layout application. But as you mention. it does cope with a broader range of PDFs if one needs to edit them than Q does. 

 

Serif's goals are ambitious with the Affinity products and the single-file format. It is a long-view strategy. Once APub is up and going, if Serif can advance capabilities across the range in a timely fashion, one day they may make inroads to the mainstream market. They hopefully will carve out a good slice of the pie.

 

Waiting for that to happen? I don't want to starve between now and then and I don't think my clients would appreciate the wait. Maybe we could return to the age of benefactors...

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Page plus still works perfectly, but I fear one day it won't.

 

Why one app for all? Because it is easier and pageplus showed me it was possible. The ui in pp is also great - disappointed they just didn't continue that line of software and port it to Mac. Perhaps the dev team had a falling out...

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