JET_Affinity Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 The problems with this kind of comparison is why Affinity was actually created. One problem with this kind of comparison is, they are always incomplete. One can easily build such a bullet list which makes any of the compared programs appear to come out on top. Example: Which of the programs has anything like Illustrator's Pattern Brushes? Which of the programs are able to apply multiple strokes and fills (not just effects) to a single path? Those are two of Illustrator's claims-to-fame. Do they make Illustrator the "best" vector drawing program? To answer that, consider this: Would you call Illustrator's user interface--while actually drawing--the best of the bunch? So how about this feature: Able to define a Line in terms of length and angle. In Illustrator, get the Line Tool and simply click somewhere. A modal dialog appears with fields in which you can enter those two values. Click OK and there's your line, 5.9375 inches in length at 25.75 degrees. But is this actually more elegant than Affinity's treatment? Think about it. And where is ACD Canvas in this comparison? By what logic is it left out? Or Xara Designer? Or Corel Technical Designer? I could give you a long list of features in any of those which are "missing" in Affinity Designer. But guess which one I see most hope in for actually moving the lethargic vector drawing segment forward at long last? Here's what I see in Affinity: evidence of careful forethought. Is it perfect? Nope, not even so far, and it still has a long way to go to flesh out functionality. The measure of true interface elegance is whether it can survive through the addition of a full feature set. We'll see. But at least someone is actually trying. JET Jens Krebs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Is there a "Gallery" feature in Designer? And I suggest that several of teh items considered to be "NO" for DrawPlus should be yes ie: Rounding Single Corners Creating round corners to a single corner as oppose to all corners of a shape Illustrator: No DrawPlus: No Designer: Yes CorelDRAW: Yes, but not as simple as Designer http://snap.ashampoo.com/9P9biYuQ Your screenshot shows a closed curve, not a QuickShape. In Affinity Designer you can create a rectangle with a Shape Tool and adjust individual corners without having to convert to curves first (so you don't lose the benefits of a Shape Tool shape). I am happy with my DrawPlusX8 and hope that Serif will continue to support the program which I find incredibly capable for my needs. Now that DrawPlus X8 has been relegated to 'legacy' status, the only support you'll get is via the CommunityPlus forum. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ver Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 My first thought when I saw the features in DrawPlus that disappeared from Affinity Designer was that those were all from third party libraries that weren't re-licensed to Designer for business reasons. Not that: "This is still a work in progress but sets out the path we are trying to follow. We could add AutoTrace, Flood Fill, 3D extrusion etc in a few weeks by using similar methods to DrawPlus but we just don't think it's the right thing to do." If you do own all the code then I would suggest to dump all these features that you consider to be sub-optimal under a menu called "experimental" and improve them if and when revenues support the investment. I'd rather have the choice to use a feature versus having them culled a priori as substandard. Adobe Illustrator has the largest user base, but the installer is about a 1.8 GB download and exemplifies the code bloat that results from thousands of man-years of coding with a nearly unlimited budget. No one needs a clone of that, but nevertheless you should try to get the most mileage out of the code base that you already have. No need to go around "un-ticking" some of the features in order to claim a more linear or polished application. I don't think many people will find it believable. All software is a work in progress. jackamus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 Thank you for helping him, Alfred. I completely missed his post. Also, DLGMEX, to be clear, rounding the corners means changing sharp corners of a shape rounded. Applying round corners in DrawPlus or Illustrator creates round corners to all corners at once. Illustrator even has a round corner effect for shapes which have already been converted to curves, but it does the same thing. Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 ...you should try to get the most mileage out of the code base that you already have. No need to go around "un-ticking" some of the features in order to claim a more linear or polished application. I don't think many people will find it believable. All software is a work in progress. The Plus line of code isn't a 1:1 port, it isn't resuable. Those features would need, just like the whole Affinity code base, be written from the ground up. I would like to think that if it was as easy as bringing the Plus feature code over and polishing it up, they would even if slowly. But it isn't. Over my bazillion years of doing graphic design, I have seen many companies and their software come and go. I have always used the former software for existing work that didn't pay to port to a different application, or port it over in preparation of updating the designs when the client's work will be used for future documents. I then use the new software for all current and future work--until the cycle begins again. While I believe Serif could create an import filter that depreciated features it doesn't support in AD, it would make no sense to do so until AD was closer to feature parity with DP. Mike SrPx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psiclone Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Wow! Such a huge benefit to all to draw upon (no pun intended) your experience. Thanks! Patrick Connor and Busenitz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 I'm glad it helps. Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackamus Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Vector Eraser Tools A tool that erases vector objects and obtains its quality What exactly is this? Quote If voting made any difference it wouldn't be allowed! Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the obedience of fools. To be ignorant of world happenings is forgivable - to be willingly ignorant is unforgivable. Truth does not need to be protected only lies do. Mac OS Monterey 12.6.4 AD version 2.3.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted December 13, 2016 Author Share Posted December 13, 2016 If you are to erase open paths, then everything else except the erased region stays the same. Whereas with Illustrator, erasing will cause the paths to slightly change its shape. Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jer Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 If you are to erase open paths, then everything else except the erased region stays the same. Whereas with Illustrator, erasing will cause the paths to slightly change its shape. So instead of "obtains its quality" maybe you are saying "maintains its quality?" Or am I still missing the meaning? It's a minor point, however, as I think your list is a Super Tool! Quote ♥ WIN 10 AD & AP ♥ Lenovo Legion Y520 15.6" Laptop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted December 14, 2016 Author Share Posted December 14, 2016 No, I think you understand the meaning. I'll change the term to "maintain" instead. That does make more sense. Thank you, and I will be adding 25 more features to the list shorty. artman 1 Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian23 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 In case anybody is interested - In this list the product "PhotoLine" is missing. PhotoLine is a like Draw/Photo and Publisher integrated in one application. With one license you get OSX and Windows support. Flood Fills No, it cannot fill vectors Artboard Tool No Nested Layers Yes, it supports groups also with clipping Pencil Path Continuation Not that I know of Fast Loading Effects It has presets for the effects Image Tracer Yes Rounding Single Corners No Transparency Tool Yes Fill/Stroke Switcher Yes Pixel Tools and Layers Yes Pasting Inside Yes Replicate Tool No (copy&Paste works) Customizable Vector Patterns Yes B-Splines Yes, I think so Smooth Gradients Yes Smooth Type on Path Yes Over 1,000,000% Zoom "Only" 25600% Pixel Preview Yes Realistic Brush Presets It has some of the required technology but no presets. Lots of Shape Tools Not many Redraw Paths probably No Indicators Yes Eyedropper on Select Yes. Objects can also be copied as brush Vector Eraser Tools No 3D Extrusion Yes In contrast to Affinity it is possible in Photoline to skew any bitmap layer. This makes it easy to correct perspective lossless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 Hey thank you for your feedback. I was thinking what full featured vectors programs were not added yet. There is Xara, Inkscape, CanvasX, but I forgot about Photoline. Thank you for adding the details. I was curious about it back when I explored it. Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokestack Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Here's an important feature to add: Object-selection mode that only selects objects fully enclosed by the marquee. The lack of this basic functionality kills Illustrator for anyone who's used anything else. People have been asking Adobe for it for a decade or so, but Illustrator is basically abandonware at this point. CoreDraw defaults to it, as does Designer (if I remember correctly). Inkscape also has it. Here's an illustration of why Illustrator is so cumbersome to work with: if you wanted to select only the circles in this image, you'd need only to draw a selection rectangle around them. Illustrator gives you no way to do this. Every shape that comes into contact with the selection rectangle (or the path of the lasso tool) is selected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 llustrator gives you no way to do this. Every shape that comes into contact with the selection rectangle (or the path of the lasso tool) is selected. I admit, I got use to this, because Illustrator was the first program in which I got a full understanding of what vector is. Now that I'm use to Affinity, I think the way all other vector programs work better (for me). I will add this. Thank you for your feedback. Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo.limoncelli Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Creating round corners to a single corner as oppose to all corners of a shape Illustrator: No DrawPlus: No Designer: Yes CorelDRAW: Yes, but not as simple as Designer Illustrator can round single corners... :) SrPx 1 Quote The white dog, making tools for artists, illustrators and doodlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Illustrator can round single corners... :) Can you please provide an example or explain how it can be done? I am aware that there is a "Round Corner" effect, but it rounds all corners of a shape at once. The feature I have listed is talking about rounding them individually. Of course, there are workarounds like in this video. Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Can you please provide an example or explain how it can be done? I am aware that there is a "Round Corner" effect, but it rounds all corners of a shape at once. The feature I have listed is talking about rounding them individually. Of course, there are workarounds like in this video. Since CC 2014 this has been available. https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/reshape-with-live-corners.html SrPx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Here's an important feature to add: Object-selection mode that only selects objects fully enclosed by the marquee. The lack of this basic functionality kills Illustrator for anyone who's used anything else. People have been asking Adobe for it for a decade or so, but Illustrator is basically abandonware at this point. CoreDraw defaults to it, as does Designer (if I remember correctly). Inkscape also has it. Here's an illustration of why Illustrator is so cumbersome to work with: if you wanted to select only the circles in this image, you'd need only to draw a selection rectangle around them. Illustrator gives you no way to do this. Every shape that comes into contact with the selection rectangle (or the path of the lasso tool) is selected. Actually, with that example it is easy enough using the Lasso tool (Q) you mention or, use the magic wand and click on a circle...all of them will be selected. Which is a tool change, something that Illy is very fond of. But I get the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Since CC 2014 this has been available. https://helpx.adobe.com/illustrator/using/reshape-with-live-corners.html Thank you for the tip. I've only used CS6, but I still researched that feature to see if it was available before making this list. Sorry about that false detail. I guess I can't catch everything. Haha. Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo.limoncelli Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Via Stylize > Round Corners even versions before CS were able to round single corner. Round Corner effect is a non destructive features and it is listed in Appearance panel, so further modifications are always possible. They added the Live Corner feature and today you have two ways to do it. Don't want to blame your idea Belduc, I only think these comparisons are something that belongs to the past, and can be confusing for both beginners and experts. Market is faster and too much scattered. If you take even the early lifetime of AD, the gap of features between 1.3 and 1.4 just 5 years ago would have taken much more time and probably would have been defined as a 2.0 jump... SrPx 1 Quote The white dog, making tools for artists, illustrators and doodlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Via Stylize > Round Corners even versions before CS were able to round single corner. Round Corner effect is a non destructive features and it is listed in Appearance panel, so further modifications are always possible. They added the Live Corner feature and today you have two ways to do it. Really? When I used the Effects menu or Appearance panel, the Round Corners feature always rounded all the corners at once, but I'll take your word for it since there is apparently something I missed. Don't want to blame your idea Belduc, I only think these comparisons are something that belongs to the past, and can be confusing for both beginners and experts. Market is faster and too much scattered. If you take even the early lifetime of AD, the gap of features between 1.3 and 1.4 just 5 years ago would have taken much more time and probably would have been defined as a 2.0 jump... Okay, thank you. I guess I just feel this topic might not be as reliable as I thought it would be. While I do see it's very helpful to many, I'm afraid these mistakes I'm making might push people away since it can't be fully trustworthy. But like you said, both beginners and experts can't catch everything. Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo.limoncelli Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 ..but I'll take your word for it since there is apparently something I missed. Via workaround... ;) There are lots of techniques suitable for Ai but it is not fair to ask&reply about these here. This forum is dedicated to Affinity, so (from my point of view) no problems to talk about cross-features, but any further explanation related to non-serif application is not very "polite" :) Server, maintenance and quality support offered here are very kind and free. Other softwarehouses even ban users talking about competitors... :ph34r: SrPx 1 Quote The white dog, making tools for artists, illustrators and doodlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bri-Toon Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Via workaround... ;) There are lots of techniques suitable for Ai but it is not fair to ask&reply about these here. This forum is dedicated to Affinity, so (from my point of view) no problems to talk about cross-features, but any further explanation related to non-serif application is not very "polite" :) Server, maintenance and quality support offered here are very kind and free. Other softwarehouses even ban users talking about competitors... :ph34r: If the staff had a problem with this list, I think they would've warned me. I am not talking negatively about Affinity; I am just providing a comparison so people who are interested know what to expect. If you think it's unfair, then why did you participate? In defense of the users from other software houses, banning them for bringing up competitors does seem uncalled for and wrong. If programmers are to compete, then it needs to be known what features people desire in others. Affinity hears competitors on the forum all the time, but they're cool about it. Quote The website is still a work in progress. The "Comics" and "Shop" sections are not yet ready. Feel free to connect with me and let me know what you like or what can be improved. You can contact me here, on my contact page, YouTube channel, or Twitter account. Thanks and have a great day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo.limoncelli Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 If you think it's unfair, then why did you participate? I don't think the discussion is unfair, I think it could confuse new users, as I explained above. Also, I think that any software is much more than a list of does/doesn't, since there are often many roads a user follow. What I spotted as unfair is asking clarifications about an application that is not a Serif's one in Serif's official forum... That's all. Take is as a simple user's opinion, peace and love! SrPx 1 Quote The white dog, making tools for artists, illustrators and doodlers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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