Brett Stebbins Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 I noticed that within Affinity Designer I can't add a negative value to the 'First Line Indent' field under the Paragraph tab. It would be very helpful if I could. Adobe Illustrator allows this. matisso, Jowday and Fixx 3 Quote Brett Stebbins www.brettstebbins.com • X profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 +1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CartoonMike Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 +1 Quote Mac OS X Catinlina, 2014 iMac, 3.5 Ghz Intel Core i7, Huion Kamvas Pro 22 Graphic Tablet, 16GB RAM, MacOS10.12 || Magic keyboard w/numeric keypad, wireless trackpad, Kengsington Edge Trackball || Flux Capacitor in a secure location --- I encourage kids to go ahead and play on my lawn. I mean, how else can I make sure the death-traps work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Stebbins Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 I'm confused. Fixx 1 Quote Brett Stebbins www.brettstebbins.com • X profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Stebbins Posted August 9, 2016 Author Share Posted August 9, 2016 Wait! Not to sound dumb but does "+1" mean a vote for this feature? Quote Brett Stebbins www.brettstebbins.com • X profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted August 9, 2016 Share Posted August 9, 2016 You got it! I expect to see hanging indents in Affinity Publisher, but I'd love to see them in Designer as well. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Harris Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 You can do hanging indents now. Set the left indent to 1cm, and the first line indent to 0cm, in that order. A negative first line indent would nominally go outside of the frame. We don't allow that and I'm not sure why you'd want it. If you do what I just wrote and then change the left indent back to 0cm, the first line indent will update and display as -1cm, but actually draw as 0, inside the frame. Silver06, CartoonMike and Alfred 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixx Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I'm confused. Yes, why is everybody suggesting +1 when negative value was requested? ;-) Sometimes it is easier to indent a row out of text frame than order whole frame structure to support hanging indent looklike. Also, it would nice if you could kern type out of frame, Same effect but done manually. In Indy this is done by inserting a space in front of first character and kerning left (option-arrowleft). Very useful especially when drop cap looks to be too "in" due glyph space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Stebbins Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 Dave Harris, yes I know about the method you suggest. It's just that instead of being able to click the down arrow in the 'First Line Indent' and incrementally set a negative value till the text moves to where I want it, I have to go back and forth between two fields ('First Line Indent' and 'Left Indent') to get those results. It's not as intuitive or convenient, but I can see your logic about not going outside of the text frame. I guess it is because I am use to doing it in Adobe Illustrator. Quote Brett Stebbins www.brettstebbins.com • X profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 Why do you have to go back and forth between two fields? If you want a first line 'outdent' (i.e. hanging indent) of 1.5 cm, you just set the left indent to 1.5 cm and then set the first line indent to 0 cm, exactly as Dave Harris described. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Stebbins Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 It is not a problem. It is just an extra step that wasn't as immediately obvious to me. Quote Brett Stebbins www.brettstebbins.com • X profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I see, thanks. I've never used Illy, so I have no preconceptions about how this kind of thing should work! Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 You can do hanging indents now. Set the left indent to 1cm, and the first line indent to 0cm, in that order. A negative first line indent would nominally go outside of the frame. We don't allow that and I'm not sure why you'd want it. If you do what I just wrote and then change the left indent back to 0cm, the first line indent will update and display as -1cm, but actually draw as 0, inside the frame. It is a common design to at least place certain elements outside the text frame, at least in a layout application. For instance, in this magazine I do, the requirements are for hanging punctuation (the quote marks) to, well, hang. This makes sense from a layout application perspective and would hope A.Publisher would allow hanging outside the text frame. Why? Because then the text frames all line up with guides (in this case, column guides). This makes for consistency for the frame widths and hence text column widths without fiddling around. _Th, Brett Stebbins, Jowday and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Stebbins Posted August 10, 2016 Author Share Posted August 10, 2016 MikeW I never thought about the whole guide thing. That would make sense. Also, if you want to do distribution this would be helpful as well. Quote Brett Stebbins www.brettstebbins.com • X profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bauke Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 I totally agree with MikeW and wrinkledlight. In my opinion, a negative indent is an exception to the rule and should not have consequences to the way the designer constructs a grid system (columns, positioning text-frames etc.) Another use for negative indents are numbered and bulleted lists. Lack of this functionality is a major cause of frustration in Adobe InDesign and would be a great selling point for Affinity. Petar Petrenko 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Checkmate Posted September 20, 2016 Share Posted September 20, 2016 This is definitely a regularly used feature for me, especially for bulleted lists as mentioned above. To adjust the entire text frame just to have an exception seems like a clunky workaround to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neigh Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 I recently bought Photo and Publisher to join Designer. Sadly still not ready to move over to the Affinity suite yet because of little need-to-haves like this. MikeW's example (5 posts up) demonstrates exactly why negative offset is required. 5 years later... any progress? _Th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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