text wrap issue

[Gary Long]

After 21 years using Indesign, I'm trying to transition to Publisher. In Publisher I opened an idml file of a book I'd started in Indesign . The layout has numerous images and captions. It opened pretty cleanly in Publisher. The main text text (which is in a master page text box on each page) wraps properly around images. The wrap is set to "jump" in the images. However, when I move an image (taking care that I'm moving both the image and its frame), the text doesn't reflow into the space it vacated, nor does the text reflow around the image in its new location. In the attached screenshot of a two-page spread, you can see the blank space in the upper part of the first page where the image was, and you can see how the moved image does not cause the text to reflow in the new location. Interestingly, the text in the caption in the left side column is properly displaced by the image (not obvious in the shot.) On the master pages, "ignore text wrap" is NOT checked for the master text boxes. Bizarrely, the occasional image behaves properly when moved, with text filling the old spot and getting displaced in the new. There is no difference in any setting for these images, and they are all the same format (greyscale TIFF).

I've been reading forum discussions as well as the manual and can't figure this out. Any insights that might help me solve this greatly appreciated.

[MikeTO]

Hi Gary, check the text wrap settings for the picture frame, too. Does it have wrap set? Perhaps there's an invisible object with text wrap set that is still in the old position. It's hard to tell without seeing the Layers panel.

If that's not it, could you copy the picture frame to a new document and upload that here?

 

[Gary Long]

Yes, there's text wrap set for both the image and the  frame. I can't see anything on the layers panel to indicate something hidden (see attached). I copied the problematic picture into another Publisher document, and text wrap behaves as it should.

[eyelight design]

I'm also having problems with text wrap. Everything was hunky dory up until 150 pages then suddenly text wrap not longer worked. Maybe I've inadvertently set a global preference that I'm not aware of. Additionally the image properties dialogue doesn't seem to be working.

To test I copied the affected page text and picture box into a new document and the picture box acted as it should with text run around.

I've included the original document that is causing me a headache plus my test document.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

imac + Publisher 2.0 [2.6.0]

[MikeTO]

3 hours ago, Gary Long said:

Yes, there's text wrap set for both the image and the  frame. I can't see anything on the layers panel to indicate something hidden (see attached). I copied the problematic picture into another Publisher document, and text wrap behaves as it should.

You should only set text wrap for the frame and not for the image in the frame. It shouldn't matter because if the frame has text wrap applied it will override the child image's wrap settings, but it's a good idea to set it only for the frame. Try turning it off for both images in both picture frames on the spread. It's possible that the picture's wrap settings in the right picture frame is set to jump and is interfering with the left frame or something unusual like that. When I debug issues like this, I try deleting one object at a time to see what's going on.

2 hours ago, eyelight design said:

I'm also having problems with text wrap. Everything was hunky dory up until 150 pages then suddenly text wrap not longer worked. Maybe I've inadvertently set a global preference that I'm not aware of. Additionally the image properties dialogue doesn't seem to be working.

To test I copied the affected page text and picture box into a new document and the picture box acted as it should with text run around.

Open the Text Frame panel and check that you haven't inadvertently selected "Ignore Text Wraps" for the text frame.

Good luck

[eyelight design]

My friend. You have solved the text wrap issue. Although I do not remember doing so somehow I've selected the 'ignore Text Wraps'. in the text frame dialogue. 

This has saved me the painful task of creating a whole lot of linked text boxes to run around images.

Again. Many thanks for your helpful advice.

P

 

 

 

[Gary Long]

I've set the text wrap now for the frame only. Makes no difference at all. Here's another thing: I created a new frame over the text on the lower half of the same page, placed an image in it, set text wrap for the frame to "jump", and the text jumped properly. But when I moved that frame to the next page, settings unchanged, the jump did not work, and also the text did not reflow into the vacated space on the first page. Then I set text wrap for the frame to "none", and the text filled the space on the first page. Then I switched it back to "jump" again. The text disappeared from the first page, but again not from behind the frame in its new location.

This strange behaviour only occurs with images placed over text that is in a master page frame, which of course is most of the text is the book. Text in text frames created for photo captions on document pages always behaves as it should when a frame with text wrap overlaps it. Some sort of master page issue, perhaps? A bug in 2.6? I can't say I noticed the problem before I upgraded from 2.5x, but I hadn't been moving pictures around before.

[Gary Long]

As an added clue: I created a new multi-page document from scratch in Publisher with linked master page text frames, copied in a pile of text, and put some frames with images on them scattered about, with text wrap set to "jump." Wrap worked exactly as it should, both in the original location and when moved elsewhere.

I have two multi-page documents that were opened in Publisher from idml files that have text in master page text frames. The one, which I introduced in this thread , has the text wrap problem, the other does not.

[MikeTO]

If you're able to share the document with me I'll take a look. You could share it through Dropbox, iCloud or another service and send me a direction message with the link if you don't want to upload it publicly. I wouldn't need the linked images, just the document. You could also delete pages irrelevant to the issue at hand.

[Gary Long]

Here's a segment of the book. The text wrap issue behaves exactly the same with this as it does with the complete document. The font used in the book is one you may not have on your computer (a licensed typeface purchased specifically for this project), but whatever substitutes for it will serve the purpose at hand.

 

Edited February 22 by Gary Long
problem solved--file no longer needed

[MikeTO]

Thanks Gary, that was perfect and I've recreated the problem now. If you don't want to keep your document here you're welcome to edit your post and delete the attachment now.

This is my 2.5.7 test document and steps to reproduce the bug. This will give you a workaround - just remove the objects from the Layer in your document - it's the Layer that is causing the issue. This is probably why it seemed like an IDML import issue at first - these documents were being imported with text wrapped objects as children of Layers.

textwrap.afpub

1. Open the document in 2.6
2. Move the picture frame and shape on page 1 or 3. The text will not reflow. The only difference is page 1 has text on a master layer while page 2 has the text on the document layer but it doesn't make a difference.
3. Using the Layers panel, drag the picture frame and shape out and above Layer1. The text will now reflow properly. Also, if you were to have saved, closed, and re-opened it while the objects were still inside Layer1, it would be corrected when re-opening.

[Gary Long]

Great! Thanks so much for figuring this out.

[NathanC]

Hi @Gary Long,

This text wrap outline bug has now been fixed in the Publisher 2.6.2 beta. I've linked the beta signup page below if you'd like to give it a try. 🙂

https://affinity.serif.com/affinity-beta-program/