iPad '…' Menu doesn't disappear after 'Paste Inside' operation.

[Bryan Rieger]

When using the '…' menu (I have absolutely no idea what it supposed to be called) on the iPad it usually disappears after performing an operation; copy, cut, paste, etc - but it remains visible after 'Paste Inside' which forces me to always have to close it myself after performing a 'Paste Inside' operation (which I use A LOT).

[fde101]

This appears to be a bug report and should be moved to the appropriate section of the forum.

This section is for feature requests.

[Bryan Rieger]

10 minutes ago, fde101 said:

This appears to be a bug report and should be moved to the appropriate section of the forum.

This section is for feature requests.

I have absolutely no idea what's considered a feature or a bug with any of the Affinity apps anymore.

I'll leave it to whatever Affinity/Canva/Serif staff are still around to place this post where it makes sense to them, and hopefully it gets fixed, implemented, or whatever…

[walt.farrell]

14 hours ago, Bryan Rieger said:

I have absolutely no idea what it supposed to be called

From the Help:

 

 

[Bryan Rieger]

Thanks @walt, but I'll just stick with 'hamburger' and 'meatballs' as that's how they present (and I relate to them) in the UI. 

[NotMyFault]

For other users, to spare them from interpreting the screenshot:

This „…“ UI element is called the „Edit“ Menu in V2.

It was called „Commands“ in V1.

If you want to find out the official names for all those UI elements, press and hold the ? (Question mark) UI element, normally to be found in the bottom right corner - unless you have activated „left hand mode“ or entered „full screen mode“

[Meliora spero]

On 1/15/2025 at 1:33 PM, Bryan Rieger said:

Thanks @walt, but I'll just stick with 'hamburger' and 'meatballs' as that's how they present (and I relate to them) in the UI. 

"Meatballs" is a risky name for a UI element - it might send users straight to the kitchen when they’re hungry! Officially, in Apple's Human Interface Guidelines, the three-dot menu icon is referred to as an "ellipsis" or "ellipsis symbol". It often represents a "More" or "More Options" button, signaling additional actions or settings.

Snack time.

[Alfred]

9 hours ago, Meliora spero said:

"Meatballs" is a risky name for a UI element

How is “meatballs” a riskier name than the widely adopted “hamburger”?

[Alfred]

On 1/14/2025 at 9:47 PM, fde101 said:

This appears to be a bug report and should be moved to the appropriate section of the forum.

This section is for feature requests.

 

On 1/14/2025 at 9:57 PM, Bryan Rieger said:

I have absolutely no idea what's considered a feature or a bug with any of the Affinity apps anymore.

I'll leave it to whatever Affinity/Canva/Serif staff are still around to place this post where it makes sense to them, and hopefully it gets fixed, implemented, or whatever…

If one and only one operation on the Edit (‘…’) menu doesn’t cause the menu to disappear after use, that should probably be reported as a bug, but if it isn’t clear to the user whether it’s a bug or not then clarification is needed. The obvious way to achieve clarity is to ask a question about the behaviour, and the obvious place to raise that question is the Questions section of the forums rather than here.

[PaulEC]

I've never heard of an ellipsis (usually meaning that other options follow) being referred to as "meatballs" before, but doesn't "hamburger" normally refer to three lines, one above the other (which opens a menu)? – So although they have similar functions, they are not really the same thing.

I've no problem with people making up their own names for things if they can't cope with using the correct name, but it does make it a little difficult for other people to know what they are talking about! – Personally I've decided that I'm going to start calling an "ellipsis" Colin, and a "hamburger menu" Fred! Come to that, I think I'd rather have a "hotdog"! (That's my new name for a smiley emoji). 😆

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[NotMyFault]

While it is total fun to deviate into food discussions, for the sake of clarity and transparency it would be great if all try to use the official names according to in-app help or online affinity.help

If in doubt start with a quick post in the questions section, provide a screenshot, and you normally get the answer within minutes.

If you directly start a bug report or feature request using unclear terminology you will generate a lot of avoidable steam by ambiguity and heated discussion.

Of course, it is possible that some users just want to produce heated discussions (not targeting this thread specifically)

[Alfred]

30 minutes ago, NotMyFault said:

ambiguity and heated discussion

I can clearly and unambiguously state that I wouldn’t enjoy hamburgers or meatballs which aren’t heated.

[Alfred]

1 hour ago, Circulus said:

A hamburger is nothing more then a flattened meatball put on sliced open bun.
So keeping food as reference we could call the ellipses pitas, pizzas or tortillas or any other round flatbread for that matter

But then we’d constantly have to explain what we meant, which would quickly become a PITA.

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[Bryan Rieger]

1 hour ago, NotMyFault said:

If you directly start a bug report or feature request using unclear terminology you will generate a lot of avoidable steam by ambiguity and heated discussion.

Or it could be that the unclear terminology used is the direct result of ambiguity present in the application.

The icon names in question; hamburger and meatballs, are a common, lighthearted reference to icons that have become ‘standard’, but don’t really communicate what they do (menus), or what they contain. 

While I’m familiar with the Apple and Affinity documentation, it doesn’t change the fact that I still relate to both of these icons by what I actually see.

Expecting users to RTFM to be able to refer to an icon using the specific terms Affinity intended is a big ask. Perhaps, it should be taken as a sign that their 2.0 UI/UX redesign is still confusing to some users.

On whether it’s a bug or not was my failed attempt at sarcasm as there are so many unaddressed, long-standing issues that it’s unclear if Serif actually views these ‘issues’ as bugs or features.

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[Bryan Rieger]

7 minutes ago, Circulus said:

Redesign?
Where?
Good UI for UX?

2.0 was touted as a BIG redesign and UX/UI improvement of the 1.0 apps. Unfortunately for many the 2.0 UX/UI is considered far worse than 1.0 one (which still had it’s own issues).

[Alfred]

13 minutes ago, Bryan Rieger said:

it’s unclear if Serif actually views these ‘issues’ as bugs or features

Of course they do! 

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[Alfred]

1 hour ago, Circulus said:

the shear amount

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[Meliora spero]

You are a guarantee that Serif won't attract professional clients with these derailed low-level debates. Is this how you interact at work with colleagues and partners? And in private life? It's unreal.

UX elements have specific titles among professionals – and I interact with them in my daily professional work – which you apparently do not. Buttons, of course, also have more colloquial, unofficial names, but ellipsis is the professional term symbolizing MORE. This is the standard term used among professionals in the field, and that's exactly how it is referred to in professional contexts.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/style-guide/a-z-word-list-term-collections/e/ellipsis-button

https://uxpickle.com/significance-of-the-three-dots-or-ellipses-in-ui-design/

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