Auto hyphenation and hyphens, commas and dots (-,.) in Publisher 2

[Codeape SWE]

I am typesetting my first book and am quite new to the Affinity Publisher 2. I used to produce my things through LaTeX and am spoiled in certain typesetting areas. 

When I turn on auto hyphenation I see a lot of hyphens, commas, and dots outside of the text frame like this:

 

Questions:

1. Is that normal in typesetting?

2. Can I do something to get the hyphens, commas and dots inside the text frame?

Thank you for any help or answers I can get

 

[GarryP]

Welcome to the forums @Codeape SWE

What you are seeing looks like something to do with Optical Alignment when using Justify Left.

With the text (or Frame Text layer) selected look in the Character Panel under Optical Alignment.

Set the Type to None and it should do what you want.

[Hangman]

Hi @Codeape SWE and another warm welcome to the forums,

Just to add to @GarryP's feedback and to provide some context...

38 minutes ago, Codeape SWE said:

When I turn on auto hyphenation I see a lot of hyphens, commas, and dots outside of the text frame...

... is that normal in typesetting?

"Hanging punctuation, also known as optical margin alignment, can be traced back all the way to the 1400s and Gutenberg's Bible. This method sets punctuation marks outside the margins of a body of text.

The rationale is to balance the visual flow of the text. If a line starts with a character like an opening quotation mark, it leaves a lot of vertical spacing, disrupting the flow. "Hanging" punctuation marks, such as quotation marks (” “ ’ ‘) and hyphens (– —), outside of the margins create the appearance of a uniform edge and improve the optical flow. You can hang punctuation in left-aligned, right-aligned, or justified text."

[Codeape SWE]

Thank you so much @GarryP and @Hangman for the help and the warm welcome. I tried your recommendations and I can confirm, Optical Alignment is the thing to play around with.

[GarryP]

You’re welcome.

I’m still curious as to how it was set to something other than None to begin with because, as far as I know, it’s set to None by default for all of the built-in Text Styles.

If you happen to figure that out then please tell us.

[Codeape SWE]

7 minutes ago, GarryP said:

You’re welcome.

I’m still curious as to how it was set to something other than None to begin with because, as far as I know, it’s set to None by default for all of the built-in Text Styles.

If you happen to figure that out then please tell us.

That was my own fault. I played around with it, because I did not know what it was and forgot to turn it off. 

[Hangman]

3 minutes ago, GarryP said:

I’m still curious as to how it was set to something other than None to begin with because, as far as I know, it’s set to None by default for all of the built-in Text Styles.

I think this may be a bug, on Mac...

• In 2.5.7 creating a New document shows Optical Alignment set to None but selecting the Frame Text tool sets Optical Alignment to Font
• In 2.6.X creating a New document shows Optical Alignment set to Font but selecting the Frame Text tool sets Optical Alignment to None

On Windows, in both versions, Optical Alignment is set to None when creating a New Document and when selecting the Text Frame tool...

[MikeTO]

6 hours ago, Hangman said:

I think this may be a bug, on Mac...

• In 2.5.7 creating a New document shows Optical Alignment set to None but selecting the Frame Text tool sets Optical Alignment to Font
• In 2.6.X creating a New document shows Optical Alignment set to Font but selecting the Frame Text tool sets Optical Alignment to None

On Windows, in both versions, Optical Alignment is set to None when creating a New Document and when selecting the Text Frame tool...

Not for me. In both 2.5.7 and 2.6.x, optical alignment is set to None when creating a new document, when selecting the text frame tool, and after drawing a text frame.

I tried reverting my defaults, saving it, and restarting, but it was still set to None. Is it possible you've saved some changed defaults?

[Hangman]

46 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

Not for me. In both 2.5.7 and 2.6.x, optical alignment is set to None when creating a new document, when selecting the text frame tool, and after drawing a text frame.

I tried reverting my defaults, saving it, and restarting, but it was still set to None. Is it possible you've saved some changed defaults?

Très étrange... I've just run a factory reset of 2.5.7 and Reset both Text Styles and Fonts and I still see the same thing...

[MikeTO]

To actually change the defaults, you need to restart Publisher, did you restart?

1. Create a document
2. Choose Edit > Defaults > Factory Reset
3. Choose Edit > Defaults > Save
4. Restart Publisher (this step wasn't in my manual, I've added it for the next version)

I just tested this but if I skipped the step of restarting Publisher, the next document created still had the un-reset defaults. It's a bit confusing.

Edited January 6 by MikeTO
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[Hangman]

3 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

To actually change the defaults, you need to restart Publisher, did you restart?

1. Create a document
2. Choose Edit > Defaults > Factory Reset
3. Choose Edit > Defaults > Save
4. Restart Publisher (this step wasn't in my manual, I've added it for the next version)

I just tested this but if I skipped the step of restarting Publisher, the next document created still had the un-reset defaults. It's a bit confusing.

Yep, that fixed it...

I'd previously run a Ctrl Startup with the default options selected followed by a Reset Text Styles and Reset Fonts under the Miscellaneous Settings Option and then a reboot...

I'm slightly surprised a Ctrl Startup does something different to Edit > Defaults > Factory Reset.