One full page with foto and bleed?

[affinota]

Hi,

if I have one page with full grafic on it, which should not go through the whole spread of two pages, but it should have no white margin in the middle, whats the trick?

If I just export the pages (not the spreads) - and thats what I want to do - I get some of the grafic on the other (white) page, BUT I have also some of the white page on my grafic. I hope, you know, what I mean

It's a good thing, if I have one grafic going through the whole spread, but what about this situation? Should I change something to get the result I want?

 

cheers

affinota

[werfox]

Hi @affinota,

you need to set inner bleed to none:

 

Best regards

[affinota]

@werfox thanks! What if I have a document with different pages, some graphics cover the whole spread and some just one of the pages?

As I understand, I must set "no inner bleed" on the white page, which is together on one spread with a full site graphic and the page with the full site graphic do need the inner bleed. F. e. left page is white and right page is covered with graphic. On the left page I set no inner bleed, but on the right page I set the inner bleed.

1. Is it the right way of thinking so far?

2. How can I realise different bleed setings in one document?

cheers

affinota

[werfox]

1. Except you want to export your document for wire-o-binding (where bleed on all four sides is required) there is no need to export / setup a document with inner bleed at all (be it for saddle stitching, glue binding or thread stitching).
   I work in a printing company and we always remove the elements of the inner bleed in pdfs from our customers as this can lead to problems while imposing.
2. As far as I know this is a global setting for the whole document.

Edited December 18, 2024 by werfox
perod/new sentence added

[affinota]

1. just print it as hard cover book on BoD with glued binding. As I understand, I need inner bleed there because of the pages, which have graphics on the whole spread of two pages. And BoD sais, I must have bleed on all sides. I suppose, otherwise it will show an error while uploading. But maybe I'm wrong.

 

2. yes, this is also what I think. There is no possibility to set different bleed just to some pages within one document.

[werfox]

OK, a BoD provider might of course have different requirements. If they need inner bleed, just set inner bleed to whatever value they require and go on with your layout. Export it then as pages – even if they look odd with the inner bleed on opposite pages of a spread. It is only relevant technically to have the trim box of the pdf set correctly and that is the case with APub.

My comment above about the problems does not mean that they must occur and differend imposition software might not have them at all.
I meant that in rare cases a very thin stripe (a few imagesetter pixels wide) appears in the spine. This has to do with an inaccuracy in the recalculation of points (the internal measurement unit of the PDF format) and milimetres.

Best regards

[affinota]

ah, ok, so this inner bleed of the white page, which appears on the page with the graphic will not be in the printed version?

 

[werfox]

Just now, affinota said:

ah, ok, so this inner bleed of the white page, which appears on the page with the graphic will not be in the printed version?

That’s correct. It is just the visual representation.

The page boundaries are defined internally with the box model, trim box being the definition of the net page format after binding and trimming, bleed box being the definition of the additional area that does not appear in the finished book but that is needed during production to compensate the possible inaccuracy whilst trimming the finished product.

In your case (glue binding), this white area will be milled off before the glueing process takes place.

[affinota]

ah, ok, thanks for the explanation!