Size of the footnotes numbers?

[affinota]

Hey,

How can I change the size of the footnotes / endnotes numbers?

I have the text style for the footnotes, but it concerns just the font size of the text, not the numbers.

#edit:

as it seems, this is the numbers style, isn't it?

But for now, there is no style chosen, where do the numbers get there size from?

 

cheers

affinota

[walt.farrell]

47 minutes ago, affinota said:

But for now, there is no style chosen, where do the numbers get there size from?

If you have not chosen a style, my guess would be that they are the superscript size for the font and font-size being used for the base text you're adding the note to. But it's an interesting question.

[affinota]

I made now a new number style with 7 font size, but it the main text, I get such little numbers, that I can barely see them.

Also below the text field 2 and 3 footnotes have again different size.

It doesn't make sense for me, but I suppose, I did smth wrong

notes_problem.afpub

[MikeTO]

You can fix the size of the numbers in your main text by choosing Revert All Footnotes to Document Settings from the panel menu. You didn't define a character style for those numbers in the Notes panel. To do that, deselect all text objects and with the panel set to Footnotes and Document-Wide, select a character style from the Format > In Main Text > Number Style.

Doing this will leave you with some inconsistent footnote numbers in the notes themselves. I'm not entirely sure how to fix this and it may be a bug that hasn't been previously reported. The clue seems to be that the frame has content scaling applied - note the solid blue outer bottom-right handle, you have used that to scale the frame which scales its contents. You should double-click the blue handle to restore the frame to 100% scaling. It won't fix the footnotes and you may have to remove and re-add them, but it will stop the problem from getting worse.

The issue is this:

1. Create a new document and a text frame
2. Add a footnote
3. Scale the frame contents with the outer handle
4. Add a footnote
5. Double-click the outer handle to reset the frame to 100% - the two footnotes will not be the same size. Shouldn't double-clicking the handle reset child notes?

[affinota]

I don't really understand what your expanation @MikeTO has to do with my problem.

I made a number style and choose it for the footnotes, but it does affect it just partially. It has some very strange behavior.

[walt.farrell]

4 minutes ago, affinota said:

but it does affect it just partially.

What Mike was saying is that you've scaled one of the text frames by dragging on the outer (detached) handle on the bottom right of the frame. That changes the size of the frame, but also changes the size of the text within it. After that, the font sizes that are reported do not match the actual font sizes. Double-clicking that solid blue handle will reset the scaling, but won't fix everything in the case of footnotes (possibly due to a bug).

Basic rule: do not use that handle to resize text frames. It is useful for some situations, but normally is a trap that will cause other problems if you use it in the wrong situations.

[MikeTO]

8 minutes ago, affinota said:

I don't really understand what your expanation @MikeTO has to do with my problem.

I made a number style and choose it for the footnotes, but it does affect it just partially. It has some very strange behavior.

The problem is that you scaled the content of your text frame by dragging the content scaling handle (the outer bottom right one). It appears that if you add some footnotes before doing this and some after doing this then they will be scaled differently.

So you're going to need to:

1. Stop dragging the content scaling handle
2. Double-click the content scaling handle for all of your text frames to revert them to 100% - adjust the font sizes as required after doing this
3. Choose Revert All Footnotes to Document Settings from the panel menu - you weren't consistent in how you created them and some have custom formatting. This is easy to do, the user interface is a bit confusing.
4. Delete any footnotes (after copying their text) if the numbers in the footnote are an inconsistent size and then create those ones again. I'm not sure how else to work around this issue.

[affinota]

oh, that's strange behavior. So if I want to rescale the text frame, what should I do for not to kick the footnotes to the chaos?

Just resize the text frame via text frame menu?

[R C-R]

1 hour ago, affinota said:

oh, that's strange behavior. So if I want to rescale the text frame, what should I do for not to kick the footnotes to the chaos?

Just resize the text frame via text frame menu?

If I understand what the others have said correctly, you can just use one of the eight attached frame text handles, not the outer detached one.

[MikeTO]

1 hour ago, affinota said:

oh, that's strange behavior. So if I want to rescale the text frame, what should I do for not to kick the footnotes to the chaos?

Just resize the text frame via text frame menu?

You can resize the text frame with any size handle, but don't do it it with the outer bottom right handle. There are two handles there and the normal inner one just resizes the text frame while the outer one scales the text in the frame at the same time, leading to this footnote problem.

[affinota]

1 minute ago, MikeTO said:

but don't do it it with the outer bottom right handle

ah, you mean the extra circle outside the frame, this evil little thing on the right bottom side?

[R C-R]

21 minutes ago, affinota said:

ah, you mean the extra circle outside the frame, this evil little thing on the right bottom side?

Yes. All those circles are called "handles" in Affinity-speak. All objects have 8 of them around their edges, but frame text objects have an extra ninth one that scales the text & the frame at the same time.