Bleed line help please

[Scouser]

Hi all

Think I have made a booboo when setting up my design. Not understanding how bleed lines work really.

I have set up the size of my require label and then added on a 3mm bleed line. So label size 220mm x 85mm with a 3mm bleed line (image attached)

It seems that my design should actually fill the area up to the bleed lines. But here is where I get confused.

1. Should I expand my design to fill the whole area up to the bleed line (How would I expand this area also)?

2. Should I have set up my design and then had the bleedline on the inside of the design, making sure none of the design I want to keep on the label falls outside of the bleed line.

Hope this makes sense.

Thanls

 

 

[thomaso]

Check the values in the Transform Panel in your screenshot. It shows that neither the x/y position nor the w/h size is set as required as you described.

Setting the currently selected rectangle to the desired size + position will give you the area that should be covered with all the content that will be cut off after printing or in the final label. This means that all text should not touch the page edge or the additional bleed area (unless you want the text to be cut off), while all images and background colors that currently touch the page edge should be moved or enlarged to fill the bleed area. Like so…

 

[Scouser]

Thanks Thomaso. I will get into this now.

[Scouser]

Hi @thomaso I think I am confusing myself If you can help a little more please

First (Two screenshots below as I set up the orignal document showing the document size and bleed lines) Not sure why this isn't shown in the Transform panel.

Next, I have entered the dimensions in your example above, First -3mm in X/Y and then alone all X,Y,W & H as above. I just doesn't look right (not as your example).

I may be doing something silly.

Thanks also tp @PaulEC Not sure where your reply has gone but made sense 🙂

[thomaso]

17 hours ago, Scouser said:

Next, I have entered the dimensions in your example above, First -3mm in X/Y and then alone all X,Y,W & H as above. I just doesn't look right (not as your example).

The selected rectangle seems to be positioned correctly (-3, -3) but it "just" doesn't display content in the bleed area. I think if you export with bleed you will see the missing parts. Test-export with crop marks for easier orientation in the exported result.

Unfortunately I am familiar with V1 only while you use V2. In V1 there is a known issue with missing bleed content in documents with artboards. While your layout does not seem to use artboards I assume there is another issue in V2. Maybe it helps to toggle the view options for 'Show Bleed' and 'Clip to Canvas'. Note, in V2 the commands may be in another main menu then in my screenshot.

[Scouser]

Thanks again thomaso. I have seen the artboards but never used them. To be honest I am not that advanced. I'm more of a novice at design and Affinity.

I will try the above changes to see what happens.

[Scouser]

The joys of computers. I entered your X,Y,W & H again and the document is displaying as it should (image below).

This seems to me to be all good to go. The text is inside the bleed line. The images overlap slightly but thats fine when they are trimmed off at printers.

Or am I missing something else?

Thanks again

[thomaso]

It looks better now, but it might not be finished yet: Also, a bleed needs to be added to the white rectangle at the top/right/bottom edges to completely avoid any "flickering" of the gray background after cutting. And if you want the spacing above the "PEANUT" headline to match the leading between its two lines, you'll need to move it down a few mm. Currently, it seems to be placed less than 1 mm near the edge of the final sheet.

(BTW, since these detailed bleed questions only become that relevant shortly before the print data export: The empty space between the "ingredients" and the "nutrition" table confused me, so I read the table. Its values are even more confusing: e.g. all 49g? And, if it's "100% peanuts" only the main images may confuse, too, with their glossy look ('nuts in honey'?), and opposite to the smaller image of the can/glas.)

[Scouser]

Yeah. Don't worry about the nutritional info. Its all stock across the products for now. The goal here is to get machine pull samples form the printer in the correct material so I can see it on the packaging in my hand. I want to to see it looks good before final print. (Chance to move things around) 🙂 Maybe I should move the nutritional panel close to the ingredients on this design.

I will lower the PEANUT away from the bleed line.

The final designs will (I hope) be much clearer. The smaller image to the right of the product is meant to be a suggestion for 'Try another flavour' on your next purchase if you get what I mean.

Don't quite understand what you mean with 'a bleed needs to be added to the white rectangle at the top/right/bottom edges to completely avoid any "flickering" of the rough background after cropping.'

Lastly. I should say, In case it matters, that the grey background in the design is actually only there for the printers. They will hide this and the design is printed on a clear film.

[thomaso]

1 hour ago, Scouser said:

Don't quite understand what you mean with 'a bleed needs to be added to the white rectangle at the top/right/bottom edges to completely avoid any "flickering" of the rough background after cropping.'

Lastly. I should say, In case it matters, that the grey background in the design is actually only there for the printers. They will hide this and the design is printed on a clear film.

The additional info about transparent film seems to solve my 'flickering' concern – as long white gets printed as a separate ink. Otherwise there will be no white rectangles, text or image parts but transparent / film colour only.

Now theoretically only, if it is printed with a gray background and on white paper, the white rectangle can get a small gray border that appears in/from the bleed area – as long the white rectangle itself has no bleed.

[thomaso]

1 hour ago, Scouser said:

I want to to see it looks good before final print. (Chance to move things around) 🙂

If the edges of the label meet each other when placed on the package it may appear more clear if the two edges show the same colour (or a continuing image). Then you may consider moving the image a little inward on the edge of the label. Currently the shadow + a mini detail is abruptly cut off (without need).

[Scouser]

1 hour ago, thomaso said:

If the edges of the label meet each other when placed on the package it may appear more clear if the two edges show the same colour (or a continuing image). Then you may consider moving the image a little inward on the edge of the label. Currently the shadow + a mini detail is abruptly cut off (without need).

Thanks again thomaso. I have actually left a gap of about 5mm between both ends of the label. This is to make sure my label kit isn't given any problems.