Affinity publisher, greed between pages?

[Iztok]

We have two pages and why is not line between? I could dave also A3 landscape format and look the same, not wise

[walt.farrell]

The page visible in the workspace does not match any of the page thumbnails visible in the Pages panel, so it's hard to be sure what you have provided a screenshot of, exactly. Zooming out a bit so we can see more of the page in the workspace might help. Or it might help to have the complete application window included. Or perhaps you could provide a sample document.

[lepr]

3 hours ago, Iztok said:

We have two pages and why is not line between?

That is because Preview mode is enabled - see the darkened 'windscreen wiper' button in the centre of the main toolbar in your screenshot.

 

[Iztok]

Yes preview mode is on - you have exaples form 2.5 version when line between is visible and 2.6. when is not visible both in preview mode as you see.

[lepr]

1 hour ago, Iztok said:

you have exaples form 2.5 version when line between is visible and 2.6. when is not visible both in preview mode as you see

That is a sensible change, in my opinion.

[R C-R]

4 hours ago, Iztok said:

Yes preview mode is on - you have exaples form 2.5 version when line between is visible and 2.6. when is not visible both in preview mode as you see.

Why does this bother you? Preview mode is explicitly designed to hide design aids like "grids, baseline grids, ruler/column guides, margins and bleed guides" so it makes sense that in 2.6 will hide this line as well.

In fact, it might be considered a minor V2.5 bug that has been fixed.

[Iztok]

There are two pages not one, so yes it matter very much, because I can replace paqges all over the document and I need to know what is on page, so why was this the case on 2.5? was it mistake?

[R C-R]

3 minutes ago, Iztok said:

There are two pages not one, so yes it matter very much, because I can replace paqges all over the document and I need to know what is on page...

Why not just toggle off Preview mode when you want to see the page divider line? It's only one click to toggle it, or you can set a keyboard shortcut to do that if you don't already have one.

Besides, if you are replacing pages, why use Preview mode to begin with?

[PaulEC]

40 minutes ago, Iztok said:

I need to know what is on page,

If you can't remember how you set up the document, just look at the thumbnails (showing the page numbers)!

[Iztok]

So why simple if could be complicate?

[Iztok]

11 hours ago, R C-R said:

Why not just toggle off Preview mode when you want to see the page divider line? It's only one click to toggle it, or you can set a keyboard shortcut to do that if you don't already have one.

Besides, if you are replacing pages, why use Preview mode to begin with?

Because 90% of time i work in prewiev mode and why you have this OK with version 2.5, and why is this improvement for anyone? It was yust OK. If I like A3 I shall insert A3 format but this is A4 and shoud me marked as A4

[R C-R]

5 hours ago, Iztok said:

Because 90% of time i work in prewiev mode and why you have this OK with version 2.5, and why is this improvement for anyone? It was yust OK. If I like A3 I shall insert A3 format but this is A4 and shoud me marked as A4

Why do you want to work in Preview mode? If it is to hide the guides & other things that mode hides, why wouldn't you want it to hide the page guides along with the others?

Also, this has nothing to do with page size (A3, A4, or whatever), just with 2 page spreads vs. single page layouts, so I have no idea what you mean by that last part.

[Oufti]

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

this has nothing to do with page size (A3, A4, or whatever), just with 2 page spreads vs. single page layouts, so I have no idea what you mean by that last part.

If you have a spread of 2 pages A4 but no visual clue that there are two pages (the now missing divider line in the middle of the spread), you could think it's a single double sized page, i.e. A3.

[Iztok]

49 minutes ago, Oufti said:

If you have a spread of 2 pages A4 but no visual clue that there are two pages (the now missing divider line in the middle of the spread), you could think it's a single double sized page, i.e. A3.

That is problem, because i can rearenged pages and why things that work OK, that InDesign also have, change is there any logical explanainon, change things that we ask fo, like toogle preview mode and create my workspace to save position of pallete,  acpecialy usable if work in two monitors, where is the mess of pallete position, or better visibility of selected page in page pallete in dark mode.

[R C-R]

4 hours ago, Oufti said:

If you have a spread of 2 pages A4 but no visual clue that there are two pages (the now missing divider line in the middle of the spread), you could think it's a single double sized page, i.e. A3.

All you have to do to see that it is a 2 page spread in the APub 2.6 beta version is to take a quick glance at the Pages panel where the page divider line is still shown even when in Preview mode. And if doing something rearranging pages, then surely you would be doing that in the Pages panel, right?

As for why the change was made in the beta, like @lepr mentioned, for Preview Mode it seems quite sensible that the page divider, which is a type of non-printing guide, should be hidden in the document view, along with all the other non-printing design aids like grids, ruler & column guides, text flow indicators, margins, & bleed, like explained in the Preview Mode help topic.

In fact, it seems to me that not hiding the page divider in Preview mode in 2.5 is if not exactly a bug, then an oversight that is being addressed in 2.6.

[Iztok]

On 11/6/2024 at 10:46 PM, R C-R said:

All you have to do to see that it is a 2 page spread in the APub 2.6 beta version is to take a quick glance at the Pages panel where the page divider line is still shown even when in Preview mode. And if doing something rearranging pages, then surely you would be doing that in the Pages panel, right?

As for why the change was made in the beta, like @lepr mentioned, for Preview Mode it seems quite sensible that the page divider, which is a type of non-printing guide, should be hidden in the document view, along with all the other non-printing design aids like grids, ruler & column guides, text flow indicators, margins, & bleed, like explained in the Preview Mode help topic.

In fact, it seems to me that not hiding the page divider in Preview mode in 2.5 is if not exactly a bug, then an oversight that is being addressed in 2.6.

So, programers when programing 2.5 and InDesign developer was wrong all the time and now without this line is much better?

[thomaso]

On 11/6/2024 at 10:46 PM, R C-R said:

for Preview Mode it seems quite sensible that the page divider, which is a type of non-printing guide, should be hidden in the document view, along with all the other non-printing design aids like grids, ruler & column guides, text flow indicators, margins, & bleed,(…)
In fact, it seems to me that not hiding the page divider in Preview mode in 2.5 is if not exactly a bug, then an oversight that is being addressed in 2.6.

Does this mean in v.2.6 also the Transparency Grid gets hidden in Preview mode? – Or does it still require the separate step of opening the Document Settings dialog + additional unchecking of this non-printing design aid?

Note this V1 (2021) post and Serif's responses:

[R C-R]

23 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Note this V1 (2021) post and Serif's responses:

Note that the OP of that topic explains why he wants the page divider line hidden in Preview mode.

As for if the transparency grid should be hidden, I think it should be hidden but it is not, neither in the retail nor the latest beta version of APub.

[thomaso]

1 hour ago, R C-R said:

Note that the OP of that topic explains why he wants the page divider line hidden in Preview mode.

Good point (I did not remember). However, a missing page divider in Preview mode doesn't disturb me a lot (I can easily draw a line on a master page) but the Transparency Grid really annoys me, additionally with its need to open a separate dialog window. (in V1 that window may even require a switch first to the Colours tab)

In case you are posting in the Beta forum, maybe you mention that 'feature' in the discussion about the changed page divider, thanks.

[Pšenda]

5 hours ago, Iztok said:

So, programers when programing 2.5 and InDesign developer was wrong all the time and now without this line is much better?

Yes, it's definitely better now (in the upcoming version 2.6), because Preview finally serves its purpose - it shows the work as it will actually look.

 

On 11/6/2024 at 9:52 AM, Iztok said:

but this is A4 and shoud me marked as A4

If you need to see the actual dimensions of the paper format to easily identify whether it is one A3 landscape or two separate A4 placed/displayed next to each other, it would be appropriate to require the display of separate pages - i.e. not some dividing line, but really two separate sheets. Of course, this would have to be optional, because many users will not want such a display.

 

On 11/6/2024 at 6:46 PM, Iztok said:

why things that work OK

That the original way of displaying the preview was not OK is clear from the referenced request:

 

[R C-R]

2 hours ago, thomaso said:

In case you are posting in the Beta forum, maybe you mention that 'feature' in the discussion about the changed page divider, thanks.

For now, I am hesitant to post anything in that forum about what Preview should or should not hide because there is so much hostility about this feature, much of it being what amounts to personal attacks on others that do not agree about it.

TL;DR -- it's a toxic subject.  ☹️

[R C-R]

1 hour ago, Pšenda said:

Yes, it's definitely better now (in the upcoming version 2.6), because Preview finally serves its purpose - it shows the work as it will actually look.

Not to nitpick (much!) but Preview will never actually show how real physical printed output will look, nor does Serif claim that it will. Its purpose is clearly stated in the help topic: 

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Preview mode can used to view your publication spread without any distracting on-screen design aids (e.g., grids, baseline grids, ruler/column guides, margins and bleed guides) from being shown. Off-page objects or partially overlapping objects are clipped to canvas. This may help you envisage how your finished project may look.

So it merely is intended to hide potentially distracting design aids, which may help users imagine what the end product will look like when output to printed media or exported to other formats; nothing more than that.

[R C-R]

4 minutes ago, PaulEC said:

... you can't have single and facing pages in the same document.

[More nitpicking] Sure you can. Just create a horizontally aligned facing page document that starts on the right or a vertically aligned one that starts on the bottom.

[HCl]

25 minutes ago, R C-R said:

Sure you can

[Iztok]

InDesign create morons, because they have line between pages