Andreas S Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 The inner bleeds are exported on the wrong facing page. This happened in 2.5.2 too - I hoped it would be fixed with 2.6. The first picture shows the layout in AFpub, the second show the export to PDF. I'm using AFpub on Windows 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB. Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 I don't think that's a bug. InDesign exports bleeds for facing pages in the same way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas S Posted October 22 Author Share Posted October 22 I've had this discussion before. There is another thread with a good explanation, why the inner bleed is not important in most printing cases, but spiral binding remained as a use case where a wrong bleed might have an impact. And my printing service asks for a bleed on all 4 sides of the paper, so I would not expect them to accept, that the bleed is on the wrong page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 3 hours ago, Andreas S said: This happened in 2.5.2 too Then it is not technically an "Other New Bug or Issue in the Betas" and should be discussed in the non-Beta section of the forum. I don't see any topics where it was raised as a Feature Request, nor reported (and accepted) as a bug previously (though I do see some of your earlier questions about it). Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 2 hours ago, Andreas S said: And my printing service asks for a bleed on all 4 sides of the paper, so I would not expect them to accept, that the bleed is on the wrong page. Does your printing service want you to give them a PDF with spreads, or individual pages? And if you export as individual pages, does the problem still occur? Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 2 hours ago, PeterB. said: I don't think that's a bug. InDesign exports bleeds for facing pages in the same way. However, in ID one can pull facing pages away from the spine to avoid bleed crossover. And this is scriptable. As well, one can move facing pages so they are no longer beside each other. That said, I always create work which will be spiral bound as non facing pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oufti Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 1 hour ago, walt.farrell said: I don't see any topics where it was raised as a Feature Request, nor reported (and accepted) as a bug previously (though I do see some of your earlier questions about it). This topic, posted in the Feedback section, has been liked by Patrick O'Connor: Andreas S and walt.farrell 1 1 Quote Affinity Suite 2.5 – Monterey 12.7.5 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeW Posted October 22 Share Posted October 22 1 hour ago, Oufti said: This topic, posted in the Feedback section, has been liked by Patrick O'Connor: Which cannot help when the intent is a spiral bound publication when items have to bleed to the inside. Nor is bleeding across an issue with a facing page document. In fact due to any misalignment, bleeding as it works now is a necessity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas S Posted October 23 Author Share Posted October 23 12 hours ago, walt.farrell said: Does your printing service want you to give them a PDF with spreads, or individual pages? And if you export as individual pages, does the problem still occur? The print service required single pages and that's where the problem occurs (the screenshot from Acrobat is set up showing two pages just for illustration). Did not test it but I believe, it would work when exporting spreads. It is not an actual and eventually urgent problem. The book is already printed, but it needed some workarounds on my side to make it: Document setup as single page - not facing pages. separate Master pages and Text styles for left and right page, as the Paragraph alignment "to the spine" doesn't work with single pages. I brought it here up again, as Patrick liked my comment from June, 22nd and I thought Serif would eventually consider an implementation. walt.farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Mark Daniel Posted October 23 Staff Share Posted October 23 You can now create a facing page document with a gap between the pages at the spine. I believe that will allow you to more easily create what you want. Mark MikeTO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 12 minutes ago, Mark Daniel said: You can now create a facing page document with a gap between the pages Care to explain where this might be found? Andreas S 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 Found it, only shows when creating a third+ page and choose selected in the spread properties. But this will cause an issue if one wants to extend an image over the 3 page spread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Mark Daniel Posted October 23 Staff Share Posted October 23 * Create a new document, facing pages, default master, default 3mm bleed * Right click on Master A in the pages panel - select 'Spread Properties' * Select 'Master A Page 2' (Top right) * In the X: box type '+6 [ENTER]' - For two 3 mm bleeds * Ensure Resize linked Pages is All or matching * OK You now have facing spreads with a gap in the middle where you can put dedicated bleed content NB: I've just noticed a bug with drawing the first page - It's drawing everything too far out to the left when the origin of the leftmost page isn't 0 - I'll get that sorted. MikeTO and Return 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterB. Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 I didn't even realize that you could attach more than two pages together like that... learned something new. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas S Posted October 23 Author Share Posted October 23 20 minutes ago, Mark Daniel said: * Create a new document, facing pages, default master, default 3mm bleed * Right click on Master A in the pages panel - select 'Spread Properties' * Select 'Master A Page 2' (Top right) * In the X: box type '+6 [ENTER]' - For two 3 mm bleeds * Ensure Resize linked Pages is All or matching * OK You now have facing spreads with a gap in the middle where you can put dedicated bleed content NB: I've just noticed a bug with drawing the first page - It's drawing everything too far out to the left when the origin of the leftmost page isn't 0 - I'll get that sorted. so it works only with new documents? Not, if you set an existing document to facing pages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Affinity Info Bot Posted October 23 Staff Share Posted October 23 An issue raised in this thread ("Redraw issue after moving facing pages page positions") has now been reported to the developers by the testing team (Ref: AF-4779). Thank you very much for reporting this issue to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 2 hours ago, PeterB. said: I didn't even realize that you could attach more than two pages together like that... learned something new. Thanks! That's a new function introduced in the 2.6 Beta: Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Affinity Info Bot Posted November 1 Staff Share Posted November 1 The issue "Page drawn too large after moving facing pages page positions" (REF: AF-4779) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2831). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release. Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions. If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas S Posted November 1 Author Share Posted November 1 Sorry to tell you, but the behaviour has not changed with the latest Beta. Showing an export to PDF with the inner bleed on the wrong page: Patrick Connor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oufti Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 I'd think that the issue fixed in the latest beta is only the small bug noted here at the end: For your inner bleed question, does the method proposed in that post help? Quote Affinity Suite 2.5 – Monterey 12.7.5 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas S Posted November 1 Author Share Posted November 1 48 minutes ago, Oufti said: IFor your inner bleed question, does the method proposed in that post help? No, it seems to work only with new documents, but I couldn't apply this solution to my existing document Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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