Machine Learning: Select Subject

[Dazmondo77]

5 hours ago, RM f/g said:

Photo crashes every time at the end of the download. Same for Publisher.

Crash log attached.

I have the same problem which is a known issue. you could try EmT's suggestion of installing separately with one click, it may work for you, although, this suggestion doesn't work for me, both Photo and Pub still bomb on completion of download

  

[RM f/g]

11 hours ago, Dazmondo77 said:

you could try EmT's suggestion of installing separately with one click

Thanks. I have tried. Clicked once, didn't touch anything during download to make sure nothing interfered.

[RichardMH]

As far as I can  see, to get to Refine Image for subject selection I have to click on the Selection Brush first. Maybe I'm missing something. And it fell over.

 

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[Dazmondo77]

2 hours ago, RM f/g said:

Thanks. I have tried. Clicked once, didn't touch anything during download to make sure nothing interfered.

if that didn't work it could be a monterey prob?

[carl123]

7 minutes ago, RichardMH said:

As far as I can  see, to get to Refine Image for subject selection I have to click on the Selection Brush first. Maybe I'm missing something.

You can also just click on the Selection Brush after Select > Select Subject if you want

[Gabe]

On 10/25/2024 at 2:47 PM, Watson Prunier said:

Having an option for GPU only would be great! I have the NVIDIA Quadro RTX4000 that can handle these tasks. Taking my CPU and GPU is not a smart idea because nothing else can be done while it is learning and the system crashes.

Is this crash reproducible? 

[Hangman]

I think this is effectively the same bug as:

• AF-4746 - App crashes when using Select Subject on a blank document

I'm reporting it just in case, purely because it is another method of causing Publisher and Photo to crash...

With a Placed file, e.g., a PDF or SVG, even with the file selected in the Layers panel, using Select → Select Subject will cause Publisher to crash...

[Patrick Connor]

Sorry but due to the functions we need to run the Object Selection and Subject Selection functionality (on macOS) we are going to have to make Machine Learning only available on Apple Silicon machines running on a recent macOS, so in the next build the Machine Learning libraries will not be available to download so it cannot crash. Sorry this limitations was not already in for the start of the beta. I have added a section on Compatibility to the initital post in this thread

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "Select Subject Fails to Select Subjects on Right-hand Facing Pages Following the First Page in a Publisher Document... " (REF: AF-4812) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2831). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us.

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "Crash after installing Machine Learning Models when Install is clicked multiple times" (REF: AF-4720) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2831). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us.

[manu schwendener]

Using this to test https://unsplash.com/photos/black-and-gray-corded-microphone-hvgd0ygXuQQ; finding the subject can't get any easier.
 
See screenshot for result after Select – Select subject.

I'm astonished that not the whole cable is recognized.

(Just posting because it may help you fine tune the feature.)

[Hangman]

Interesting... the Object Selection Tool does a much better job...

[manu schwendener]

> the Object Selection Tool does a much better job

That's true.

I have a UX wish for Object Selection: when I click on the owl icon, my cursor becomes a really small watch (hard to see if it's a watch at all and zooming doesn't help). This makes me click around further in the picture, because I don't know that I'm supposed to just wait a moment.

Can the watch icon be replaced by a spinner? Or even a progress bar?

Edit 16.11.2024: this is now much better, replaced by the moving bar to indicate "please wait"

Edited November 16 by manu schwendener

[Hangman]

1 minute ago, manu schwendener said:

Can the watch icon be replaced by a spinner? Or even a progress bar?

A progress bar would certainly be a helpful and welcome addition though I have no idea whether this is a process that can be time-calculated... I assume it can, much like a PDF export but I don't know for sure but +1 for a progress bar if it can...

[manu schwendener]

> spinner

like the one I see during "Stitch Panorama"
 

[carl123]

34 minutes ago, manu schwendener said:

I'm astonished that not the whole cable is recognized.

If I test it using the image's original orientation it makes a perfect selection (see below)

If I rotate it 90 degrees anti-clockwise like your image, I get what you get

If after I rotate the image and then rasterise the image, I get a total mess with the selection (it just selects 2 small areas)

Will need to test this with other images tomorrow

[manu schwendener]

> If I test it using the image's original orientation it makes a perfect selection

8-)

[manu schwendener]

> Will need to test this with other images tomorrow

you might find some candidates here https://unsplash.com/collections/647/tools-%26-objects

[JhonatanS]

By watching these test sent on this threads, I've downloaded the original photos from @Juhani,
and I've used Canva background remover, which is the one that I use a lot when needed,

it deliveries an incredible result, almost perfect I would say mainly on the hair and separation.

Can't Affinity have access to this same resource tool as they are now same company?

Here is the Result from Canva. in addition to what Juhani shared.

[soupdragon2000]

The resultant selection on click is offset from the preview selection. This seems to only be an issue when using Studio Link. Build 2381 Mac M1

 

[Hangman]

Hi @soupdragon2000 and welcome to the forums,

Does your document include bleed? If so this is a known issue logged under AF-4512...

[soupdragon2000]

Bingo! Yes, thanks @Hangman - I didn't spot that one.

[Hans N.]

On 11/6/2024 at 7:15 PM, JhonatanS said:

By watching these test sent on this threads, I've downloaded the original photos from @Juhani,
and I've used Canva background remover, which is the one that I use a lot when needed,
it deliveries an incredible result, almost perfect I would say mainly on the hair and separation.
Can't Affinity have access to this same resource tool as they are now same company?

 

Wow, that really is a difference like night and day.

Come On Serif, give us the same Quality as the Canva background remover.

[Affinity Info Bot]

The issue "App crashes after downloading Machine Learning models on Catalina, Big Sur and Monterey" (REF: AF-4845) has been fixed by the developers in the latest beta build (2.6.0.2831). The fix is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Affinity Info Bot to notify us.

[oJAHRASTAo]

For what its worth I was getting constant crashes, only installed one at a time etc.

I changed the setting from CPU and GPU, to just use CPU, and everything is working. My results have been pretty good, but using it against mechanical parts with hard edges against the background. I have not messed with anything organic or more complex with regards to contrasting of elements.

CPU only is pretty slow, but I'm on an older workstation. For reference my GPU is an old GTX 780, which is probably why I was seeing crashes.

In any case, super stoked to see it in the mix, as it is an well needed feature to compete against the others. Without it, I simply can't completely adopt considering the time and effort savings it is capable of.