Machine Learning: Object Selection Tool

[Luca2024]

Are you serious? 🤯
Restricting it to Apple Silicon? Why?
I have a 2017 Apple i5 that runs everything (Topaz, video encoding and so on...).

ML on Krita and external AI tool works quite good ...so? what's such excuse to restrict it?

Should I throw away my intel i7 5k for your selection tool?

Photoshop has selection tools since several years and it runs on every machine and you can't implement a selection tool on Intel?
Yes that could be slower but why don't give a "warning" of low performance and allow , anyway, to use it?



 

[nickbatz]

11 hours ago, Luca2024 said:

Are you serious? 🤯

I have a 2017 Apple i5 that runs everything 

hahaha

I mean, I sympathize, but these kids today don't remember when computers were 2-year investments.

[Luca2024]

14 hours ago, nickbatz said:

hahaha

I mean, I sympathize, but these kids today don't remember when computers were 2-year investments.

Sounds more like ‘change your PC’ helping Apple make billions more...
What's the problem with waiting a few seconds while the magic wand gets the selection?

Photoshop has been doing this since 2019 and it still works on my Imac 2017 in a flash.
WTH.

[nickbatz]

8 hours ago, Luca2024 said:

Sounds more like ‘change your PC’ helping Apple make billions more...
What's the problem with waiting a few seconds while the magic wand gets the selection?

Photoshop has been doing this since 2019 and it still works on my Imac 2017 in a flash.
WTH.

 

Yes, I'd definitely like to see you suffer so my Apple stock goes up more.

Seriously, why are you using Affinity Photo rather than Photoshop if this is such an important feature for you? I'm trying to be a jerk - not hard, anyway - I really don't understand the outrage over what seems like a small feature - especially since macOS has this feature built in (never mind that it's not as good).

[Luca2024]

15 minutes ago, nickbatz said:

 

Yes, I'd definitely like to see you suffer so my Apple stock goes up more.

Seriously, why are you using Affinity Photo rather than Photoshop if this is such an important feature for you? I'm trying to be a jerk - not hard, anyway - I really don't understand the outrage over what seems like a small feature - especially since macOS has this feature built in (never mind that it's not as good).

Do I have to explain why I use affinity photo (or try to use it) instead of Photoshop?

Anyway, speaking of the Object Selection function. Affinity's programmers created it and guess what? Limited to M-chips. Why? No technical reason other than performance. Again: Photoshop does it very easily on Intel chips, so it is technically possible. No excuses. That's why I'm complaining.

 

[nickbatz]

On 3/21/2025 at 12:04 PM, Luca2024 said:

That's why I'm complaining.

 

I have no way of knowing whether you're right that there's no technical reason, nor do I know how much it would cost the company to make it work properly on an Intel if it is possible. Nor is it my role to speak for Affinity, let alone apologize for them.

What I do know is that this is how it's always been with digital tools. With rare exceptions you know going in that you're only going to use them as long as you can.

And I sympathize. I wish I could still use the 2009 Mac Pro 5,1 I replaced three years ago. It still had plenty of power, but some developers stopped supporting it. Not all developers, just some - including Apple, and I wasn't interested in hacking this and that to run newer macOS versions.

You have an 8-year-old computer. If this is the only thing you can't do with it, that seems pretty good to me. Again, until about 20 years ago I had to replace Macs every couple of years to be able to run the latest music software. (You should see my computer graveyard aka garage - I think the Mac Plus I have in there still works.)

The other thing is that the M machines are the biggest jump I've noticed with any computer upgrade ever. I'm not talking about benchmark specs, how quiet they are, or how much less power they use - I'm talking about how fast everything happens throughout the day.

When you finally are forced to do it, after the kicking and screaming you're going to be very happy.

[VectorWhiz]

If this is Affinity's first implementation of an AI module, I applaude the devs. I like it. Kudos!

[Luca2024]

On 3/21/2025 at 8:57 PM, nickbatz said:

I have no way of knowing whether you're right that there's no technical reason, nor do I know how much it would cost the company to make it work properly on an Intel if it is possible. Nor is it my role to speak for Affinity, let alone apologize for them.

What I do know is that this is how it's always been with digital tools. With rare exceptions you know going in that you're only going to use them as long as you can.

And I sympathize. I wish I could still use the 2009 Mac Pro 5,1 I replaced three years ago. It still had plenty of power, but some developers stopped supporting it. Not all developers, just some - including Apple, and I wasn't interested in hacking this and that to run newer macOS versions.

You have an 8-year-old computer. If this is the only thing you can't do with it, that seems pretty good to me. Again, until about 20 years ago I had to replace Macs every couple of years to be able to run the latest music software. (You should see my computer graveyard aka garage - I think the Mac Plus I have in there still works.)

The other thing is that the M machines are the biggest jump I've noticed with any computer upgrade ever. I'm not talking about benchmark specs, how quiet they are, or how much less power they use - I'm talking about how fast everything happens throughout the day.

When you finally are forced to do it, after the kicking and screaming you're going to be very happy.

Krita works AND also with external ML/AI generative tool...  no excuses.

[nickbatz]

9 hours ago, Luca2024 said:

Krita works AND also with external ML/AI generative tool...  no excuses.

My question is why this feature, which is 10^-63% of the ones in Affinity Photo, is more important than all the others in the program to people. Could it just be that "AI" is sold as being synonymous with extreme hipness better than wild sex?

It's always worth a try for what I do - the Object Selection tool, I'm not talking about the wild sex - but every time so far I've still used a combination of the other selection tools in the program.

How can a machine learn to select this, which if I use it in some form will be one element among hundreds in one of my pictures? The selection brush can.

(And I just gagged yet again at the concept of generative "art," which object selection is absolutely not.)

 

 

[Ldina]

I'm really enjoying using the Object Selection Tool.

Depending on the object one is selecting, and the background, it can be quick and accurate. Even when it isn't perfectly accurate, it saves me a lot of time selecting most of the image, and I can switch to the Selection Brush tool and Selection Refinement to clean up any areas that Object Selection misses. Selections, by nature, can vary all over the place and can be quite challenging, so it's a tall task and one that works this well is pretty impressive. 

Well done! 

[spacemishka]

Hi,

i have an issue. In my Settings it shows only CPU based Models. I have an 3070ti and would expect that it will be enough for the ML feature. Updating to the latest driver didnt help.

 

What is the problem?

[carl123]

8 minutes ago, spacemishka said:

I have an issue. In my Settings it shows only CPU based Models.

On Windows it only ever used the CPU despite you previously being able to select CPU & GPU. Getting the GPU working was something they said they were working on.

Maybe the option to select both will reappear once they do

 

[swaha]

How do I find the "Settings" to download the Segmentation tool to use the new Object selection tool

[Ldina]

2 minutes ago, swaha said:

How do I find the "Settings" to download the Segmentation tool to use the new Object selection tool

On Mac...Affinity Photo 2 (top menu) > Settings

Windows....Edit > Settings

[Albo]

(SOLVED_Found it )

Hello,

Can't see the icon it in configure tools or in the tools palette.

Mac Studio latest, so I should be good.