A.Photo: Locking layer doesn't lock it

[Tormy]

Just mad because i ruined everything and I'm remaking the work.

In Photo ... the reference layer was LOCKED ... it means to me: NOTHING must change ANYTHING on that layer. Right?

No ... it is not so. It is screwing up everything.

I created a new layer where to work on.

ERRONEOUSLY i selected the LOCKED layer

I took the brush and I start working, convinced I was on the new layer.

A.Photo ditto removed the LOCK and I was painting into the reference layer instead.

This I NO WANT. When a layer is locked, it is to AVOID ANY no wanted modification

 

[carl123]

38 minutes ago, Tormy said:

I took the brush and I start working, convinced I was on the new layer.

Locking a layer only prevents you from selecting it and moving it on the canvas. The ability to fully lock a layer has been requested many times and the devs may implement it at some point

Until then you can switch off the Editable control for the 4 channels in the Channels Tab which will prevent the brush from working on that layer

[Tormy]

10 minutes ago, carl123 said:

Locking a layer only prevents you from moving it on the canvas. The ability to fully lock a layer has been requested many times and the devs may implement it at some point

Until then you can switch off the Editable control for the 4 channels in the Channels Tab which will prevent the brush from working on that layer

Uhmm I see tahta tab works on the whole document, not on the single layer ... where am I wrong?

 

EDIT: I should give to the Devs all the work I have to redo then  So they understand how important is a real lock.

[carl123]

3 minutes ago, Tormy said:

Uhmm I see that tab works on the whole document, not on the single layer ... where am I wrong?

I think your right but I'm sure I used that trick before - I will have to research how I did it

[Tormy]

6 hours ago, carl123 said:

I think your right but I'm sure I used that trick before - I will have to research how I did it

I read on the internet that these Devs are cosnidenring the "lock way" a feature. No ... it's a CRAP! This is the way to try to justify a carap that no one knows how to overcome. Kindergarten!

The LOCK MUST BLOCK ANY modification to the locked layer. Full stop! if their PO and PMs are not able to get this in their mind and to make the Devs working on it, then Serif has an internal issue.
I will send them my works to be remade immediately! And without any economical retribution since I lost several time due this! So perhaps they understand what a LOCK must be and must do! 

[h_d]

 

Ranting here isn't going to help you. The Devs don't read these forums. You might though consider posting a polite and well-worded feature request in the Feedback section of the forums to add to others who would like to see fully lockable layers.

If you make mistakes or temporarily forget how the software currently works, you can of course use the slider in the History panel to step back through your actions. The default Undo limit in Settings is 1024 individual actions, but you can increase that if you want.

I appreciate though that you would still need to redo your brushwork on the layer that you originally created.

 

 

[R C-R]

7 hours ago, Tormy said:

I will send them my works to be remade immediately!

??? What could you possibly send the developers that would even allow them to understand what had to be redone to restore whatever your misunderstanding of how locking works in Affinity caused to mess up your work, much less remake it?

Besides, I can't think of a single software company on the planet that would do this even if they could. It is your responsibility to understand how the apps you use work, make backups as necessary, & so on, not theirs.

[h_d]

38 minutes ago, R C-R said:

It is your responsibility to understand how the apps you use work, make backups as necessary, & so on, not theirs.

That.

[Tormy]

10 hours ago, R C-R said:

It is your responsibility to understand how the apps you use work, make backups as necessary, & so on, not theirs.

Not really.

 

it's my responsibility if in ateh whole world the same function is interpreted by many industry in a different way.

Not by only one that decided to screwup the term inducing the user to make mistakes, because the user has strong example of consistency around the world about that term: LOCK it means: you can't do ANYTHING. Period!

It's up to the company to differentiate the terminology if that specific term doesn't really do what's universally supposed to do!

[R C-R]

4 hours ago, Tormy said:

Not really.

Yes, really. if nothing else, you are responsible for knowing which layer you are working on, whether you mistakenly thought its lock prevented you from doing that or not.

[Tormy]

4 hours ago, R C-R said:

Yes, really. if nothing else, you are responsible for knowing which layer you are working on, whether you mistakenly thought its lock prevented you from doing that or not.

Disagree with that.

If you Company are creating this kind of "out-of-standard" you mis respect your customers by literally inventing the excuse "it's a feature". No: it's a crap.

I challenge you and your opinion when you buy a video editing software, in the color page there is the HUE control but instead of changing HUE, changes the EQ of the audio and the company says "it's a feature". THIS is the level of "lock" by Serif.

[cas_s]

I’m with Tormy here. Locked has a commonly understood, industry-standard meaning.  I’m new to Affinity, coming from Photoshop and Procreate, and I was horrified to find myself painting over a “locked” layer.

[Ron P.]

I agree with Tormy. Lock means just that. Apply it to just about anything, except Affinity apps, and it prevents the object that is locked, from being altered, entered into, ect. We don't lock our doors and expect it can be opened without unlocking it. We don't lock the tie-down strap, and expect it to be loosened without unlocking it. I was cop for a couple of decades, I would place handcuffs on people, and by design they would lock. Then I would double-lock them, preventing the bar from tightening down further, so as not to cause harm to the person. To remove them I would have to unlock them. Working in a jail, I would place people in a cell, then lock the door. I expected that no one could just walk through the locked door.

Again, locking an item, is widely understood to mean you can not alter it unless you unlock it. I have no idea where the Serif developer came up with the definition, and applied it to the apps. But I wonder what day of the week that was, and what might have been consumed?? 😁

[carl123]

Photoshop has 5 different layer locks

Do you just want the one that locks everything or should Affinity provide them all?

 

[Ron P.]

I'd be happy with #5, Lock Everything. The others would be a fantastic bonus.

 

[Tormy]

6 minutes ago, carl123 said:

Photoshop has 5 different layer locks

Do you just want the one that locks everything or should Affinity provide them all?

 

N.5 is the universal recognized LOCK. The rest are options. 

Affinity has unclear LOCK, misaligned with the rest of the world, dispatched as feature, but it's a big BUG or crap.

[R C-R]

6 hours ago, Tormy said:

If you Company are creating this kind of "out-of-standard" you mis respect your customers by literally inventing the excuse "it's a feature". No: it's a crap.

You may not agree with why it works like this but as the staff have explained, the assumption is if the user selects a locked layer on the Layers panel, they are doing that because they want to do something to that layer. Otherwise, why select it?

Yes, it is not the same as in other apps you may be familiar with but it is still your responsibility to understand that it does in fact work differently than what you are used to.

BTW, the most often requested lock option is not to change the way this works but to add a full lock option so users can choose which one they prefer.

[Tormy]

9 hours ago, R C-R said:

You may not agree with why it works like this but as the staff have explained, the assumption is if the user selects a locked layer on the Layers panel, they are doing that because they want to do something to that layer. Otherwise, why select it?

Yes, it is not the same as in other apps you may be familiar with but it is still your responsibility to understand that it does in fact work differently than what you are used to.

BTW, the most often requested lock option is not to change the way this works but to add a full lock option so users can choose which one they prefer.

Apart that I locked the layer and then I was able to move it just by clicking on the alignement buttons ... so even that current lock is not working as devs ment.

The Affinity lock it's in practice an almost NOT-existing lock.

But again: No, it's not as you tell. When anyone locks a layer it's to protect the layer to any accidental modifications. Period.

It's not question of "apps that I'm familiar with" is about ALL the rest of the existent apps (graphical, audio, video, CAD/CAM/CAE, etc...) but Affinity.

Serif Affinity is out-of-any-standard and the "lock" and the way they implemented it is misleading.

The Photoshop's screenshot was posted in a previous comment, shows different lock levels. But there, it's CLEAR that there are different levels (for different needs).

In Affinity: not at all. This product needs probably new PMs and new PO and why not?+ Eventually new devs ... more capable to implement the real Lock once and forever.

 

[Alfred]

1 hour ago, Tormy said:

This product needs probably new PMs and new PO

PMs = Project Managers, plural? There’s usually only one, since attempts to manage by committee tend not to work out well.

PO = Purchasing Officer? Post Office? Other??

[Tormy]

1 hour ago, Alfred said:

PMs = Project Managers, plural? There’s usually only one, since attempts to manage by committee tend not to work out well.

PO = Purchasing Officer? Post Office? Other??

PMs = Product Managers
PO = Product Owner.

[R C-R]

5 hours ago, Tormy said:

Apart that I locked the layer and then I was able to move it just by clicking on the alignement buttons ... so even that current lock is not working as devs ment.

As has been mentioned multiple times in various posts over the years, the lock in Affinity only prevents users from selecting the locked layer on the canvas. They have not unreasonably decided that if a user selects a locked layer on the Layer panel, it must be because they must want to do something to it; otherwise, why select it there?

So yes, it is working as designed.

[Pšenda]

On 9/7/2024 at 2:09 PM, Tormy said:

This I NO WANT. When a layer is locked, it is to AVOID ANY no wanted modification

 

On 9/7/2024 at 4:51 PM, Tormy said:

So perhaps they understand what a LOCK must be and must do! 

Unfortunately not.
That the current interpretation of "locking" is a completely useless function that is not even functional under all circumstances (it is enough to put locked layers in a group with unlocked ones), has been mentioned here on the forum for many years. The problem is that developers do not "work" with their applications, that is, they do not know and do not fully understand the problems of real work situations.

[Pšenda]

19 hours ago, Tormy said:

N.5 is the universal recognized LOCK.

Therefore, this function is also represented by the "lock" symbol. Other functions that only lock/disable partial operations have a different icon.

[Pšenda]

45 minutes ago, R C-R said:

As has been mentioned multiple times in various posts over the years, the lock in Affinity only prevents users from selecting the locked layer on the canvas. They have not unreasonably decided that if a user selects a locked layer on the Layer panel, it must be because they must want to do something to it; otherwise, why select it there?

So yes, it is working as designed.

It doesn't work that way. It's obvious that you're advocating something here that you don't even know how poorly it actually works.
Since it has been said many times here on the forum, just a link:

 

[Tormy]

2 hours ago, R C-R said:

As has been mentioned multiple times in various posts over the years, the lock in Affinity only prevents users from selecting the locked layer on the canvas. They have not unreasonably decided that if a user selects a locked layer on the Layer panel, it must be because they must want to do something to it; otherwise, why select it there?

So yes, it is working as designed.

There is not any design. There is not a real lock function. Full stop!

When you lock ANYTHING it's because you want to prevent any further modification to the/into the locked layer. Not because you no want to select it into the canvas only.

It means that when you are working and also erroneously you select that specific layer, you want to be impeded to modify it.

This IS the way to work on ANY software that has layering to protect your own work.

To lock a layer clearly means to everybody really works with these kind of software: keep this layer untouchable at any level.

It is true on any

Video editor
On any CAD
On any DAW
On any Photo editor (but Affinity)
On any Vectorial editor (but affinity)
...
...

On ANY software that has the LOCK functionality (feature): but Affinity

Hence the implementation of the Lock in Affinity is highly superficial, it's inducing the users into the mistake I have made. Put your soul in peace (as we use to say): It's literally out-of-any-standard!
Badly implemented

Badly indicated
Badly described
Referred only to topics and threads (with ppl that is lamenting the bad, and poor implementation of the Lock)

Really not up to any industry standard. 

As I said several times, this "lock" is NOT a feature (as Serif wants as to believe), it's a crap or it's a blatant uncacapiblity form the dev side to implement it as is should.