Line colour - Addinity publisher

[Iztok]

group left end right side, colour is preview  in black but in colour palette is white, if I select only one in group colour is OK black

[GarryP]

As requested previously, please give us full-screen (whole application UI) screenshots instead of limited-size screen grabs.

What you are describing, if I have understood it correctly, is expected behaviour.

If the layer you have selected is a Group then the colours in the Colour Panel show the colours for the Group, not the colours for the layers inside that group.

To see the colours for a child layer you will need to select the child layer instead.

[Hangman]

Hi @Iztok,

A group selection doesn't necessarily reflect the fill and stroke properties of the items inside the group...

Equally, what would the expectation be here when the items within the Group use different fill and stroke values...

[Iztok]

I know, and that is bug, if both are the same colour

[GarryP]

There's no bug that I can see.

A Group can have its own colours which are separate from the colours of its child layers.

Can you explain why you think it's a bug, rather than just saying that it is.

[Pšenda]

1 hour ago, Iztok said:

colour is preview  in black but in colour palette is white

This is not "white" color, this is "none" color.

[Iztok]

YEs it is, but path is black in both, so why is not none for red also?

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, Iztok said:

YEs it is, but path is black in both, so why is not none for red also?

Probably for the same reason the color panel shows Blue when I have this Group selected in the Layers panel, but both Rectangles and the thumbnails for the Rectangles and the Group all show Red. For this one, I set the color of the Group to Blue, which set the Rectangles to Blue. Then I set the colors of the Rectangles individually to Red. 

With the Group selected, the Color panel is showing its color, which is nowhere visible in the design.

 

[R C-R]

2 hours ago, Iztok said:

YEs it is, but path is black in both, so why is not none for red also?

Because a group's stroke (path) & fill colors are not necessarily the same as the objects it contains. @walt.farrell shows one way that can happen.

[Iztok]

we have in my option two identical objects just mirroring, so both are the same, for path is one result, for fill is other, so I still thing it is the bug

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, Iztok said:

we have in my option two identical objects just mirroring, so both are the same, for path is one result, for fill is other, so I still thing it is the bug

No, it's the same result for both. You have (probably) set the Group's Fill, and the Group's Stroke. And then adjusted the contents of the Group separately.

When you have the Group selected, the panel shows the values for the Group. As I showed, that may not be related to what you see in the objects contained within the Group.

[thomaso]

3 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

When you have the Group selected, the panel shows the values for the Group. As I showed, that may not be related to what you see in the objects contained within the Group.

Do you have an idea how that may get used? Is there any way make the nested objects use the stroke/fill setting of the parent Group apart from re-applying stroke & fill to the Group? – Interestingly, other than stroke and fill, a transparency gradient applied to an empty Group does affect its child layers once they get added.

[R C-R]

1 hour ago, thomaso said:

Interestingly, other than stroke and fill, a transparency gradient applied to an empty Group does affect its child layers once they get added.

How did you create an empty group?

[Hangman]

3 minutes ago, R C-R said:

How did you create an empty group?

Just select and move the contents of the Group outside the Group and you'll be left with an empty Group. Alternatively, select all objects inside the Group, right-click any of the objects and select Release from the context menu which will move the selected items outside the Group again leaving you with an empty Group...

[thomaso]

1 minute ago, R C-R said:

How did you create an empty group?

Move all nested layers outside. If a group gets styled while it contains items with another style it appears even more odd. – For what purpose may a Group have attributes that none of its child should show?

Actually I had expected if I move an object into a Group that has style attributes then these attributes get automatically assigned to the object. I also would not wonder if such an object preserves its style and appears with that as soon its outside this group again.

[Hangman]

1 minute ago, thomaso said:

For what purpose may a Group have attributes that none of its child should show?

It is a good question to which I don't have an answer... I'd assumed a Group was perhaps considered to be a 'Layer Type' in the same way a Layer (Capital 'L') is but it's not listed as such in the Help file...

You can equally associate completely different fill and stroke colours from the contents of a Layer to the Layer itself though again I'm slightly unsure of the purpose or benefit

I'm sure there must be some logic we've not considered...

[R C-R]

1 minute ago, Hangman said:

Just select and move the contents of the Group outside the Group and you'll be left with an empty Group.

Yes, I know that can be done but I was asking how an empty Group layer could be created from scratch; IOW, without first creating other objects, grouping them, & then ungrouping them.

Sorry if I was not cear about that.

4 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Actually I had expected if I move an object into a Group that has style attributes then these attributes get automatically assigned to the object.

Why? I often move objects into or out of out of groups So I would be very annoyed if any of their attributes were automatically changed to something other than I had given them.

[Hangman]

1 minute ago, R C-R said:

Yes, I know that can be done but I was asking how an empty Group layer could be created from scratch; IOW, without first creating other objects, grouping them, & then ungrouping them.

Sorry if I was not cear about that.

My misunderstanding, no need to apologise... Basically, you can't...

[lepr]

4 minutes ago, Hangman said:

My misunderstanding, no need to apologise... Basically, you can't...

You can in Photo and the Photo Persona of Publisher... Layer > New Group

[Hangman]

1 minute ago, lepr said:

You can in Photo and the Photo Persona of Publisher... Layer > New Group

You can though I believe @Iztok is referring to Publisher's Publisher Persona specifically in his original post...

[R C-R]

11 minutes ago, Hangman said:

I'm sure there must be some logic we've not considered...

To me it is simply that the Color wells can be used to set colors, so they do not necessarily have to show the current color of a selected container object.

[thomaso]

Just now, R C-R said:

Why? I often move objects into or out of out of groups So I would be very annoyed if any of their attributes were automatically changed to something other than I had given them.

There are situations where this behaviour could be an advantage.

However, that doesn't answer the question for what purpose you may style the Group different than its nested content.

Perhaps the origin for this "feature" is a "leftover" from the option to make it easier to apply a style to all elements in a group without exception. This can be useful with a large number of items, e.g. curved text, but just not without elements or if the group style is different from its elements.

[Hangman]

1 minute ago, R C-R said:

To me it is simply that the Color wells can be used to set colors, so they do not necessarily have to show the current color of a selected container object.

Which makes perfect sense if you have selected multiple layers within a group that use different fill and/or stroke colours...

[R C-R]

1 minute ago, thomaso said:

There are situations where this behaviour could be an advantage.

I can't think of any that would apply to my workflows -- like I said, I do not want the app to second guess me & do something I did not explicitly tell it to do.

2 minutes ago, thomaso said:

However, that doesn't answer the question for what purpose you may style the Group different than its nested content.

You can't apply a line or fill style to a group without it being applied to its child objects -- that to me is a useful purpose (& one I can tell the app to do if that is what I want!) -- but you can like Walt showed later change those styles of objects in the group independently of the group's style -- that to me is also useful & something I can tell the app to do without it trying to second guess me & do something I do not want it to do.

[Hangman]

1 minute ago, R C-R said:

You can't apply a line or fill style to a group without it being applied to its child objects -- that to me is a useful purpose (& one I can tell the app to do if that is what I want!)

But what practical purpose does that serve, there is zero visual feedback other than in the colour panel, it serves no practical purpose on the page or canvas that I can think of... In what way or in what situation would you find that useful...

It's fine that you can do that, I don't have an issue with it but I just can't think of any situation where I'd find changing the fill and/or stroke colour of a Group beneficial to the design because it literally serves no purpose visually...