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My wife and I are going to buy an Epson printer for sublimation using Affinity Designer/photo as our source material.

The one we are going to buy has ICC profiles that will be emailed to us. How does one get these profiles into designer/photo

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1 hour ago, pioneer said:

The one we are going to buy has ICC profiles that will be emailed to us. How does one get these profiles into designer/photo

I would install them in your OS, not into the applications.

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The installer for my (ink-jet) Epson printer automatically installed the ICC profiles that came with the printer.  I'd expect the same thing to happen when you install your printer.  Additional ICC profiles, e.g. for non-Epson papers, such as those you say will be emailed to you, will probably either :

  • come with installation instructions for you to follow

or

  • have to be manually copied into the same folder as the other ICC profiles

or

  • have an install option if your RIGHT click on them

Once they are installed they will be available within the Affinity applications.

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Please make yourself familiar with the workflow using ICC profiles. You normally use print profiles only in the print UI, and never use them as document profiles in Affinity apps. 
 

Affinity has issues printing directly (at least on Mac), so for best quality export as sRGB and use the OS print functionality 
 

Most home printer expect documents in sRGB profiles and do the conversion automatically during print. 
 

Rare exceptions may exists, this will be advised in the printer manuals. 

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9 minutes ago, NotMyFault said:

Affinity has issues printing directly (at least on Mac), so for best quality export as sRGB and use the OS print functionality 

I'm curious what your experience is here?? (I'm also on a Mac)

I print all the time directly from Affinity to my Canon Inkjet using custom printer profiles I created with good results. I usually edit and save my files using Display P3 profile to preserve more color gamut, then print with my custom profile. I usually launch the Colorsync Utility from the Affinity Print dialog window, mainly so I can have access to different rendering intents. My results are routinely very good.

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11 minutes ago, NotMyFault said:

Affinity has issues printing directly

I'm on Windows and often print photos from Affinity Photo 2 with no problems.  For colour photos I set Affinity Photo 2 to control the colour management AND ensure colour management is turned off on the printer.  For B&W I do the opposite.  I let the printer control the colour AND ensure Affinity Photo 2 colour management is off

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1 minute ago, Ldina said:

I'm curious what your experience is here?? (I'm also on a Mac)

 

Honestly I refer to other users reports, my 25 years old HP Laserjet 2100 is pure B/W and avoids all those issues

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15 minutes ago, stuck said:

For colour photos I set Affinity Photo 2 to control the colour management AND ensure colour management is turned off on the printer.  For B&W I do the opposite.

Interesting. What happens when doing it the other way round?

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44 minutes ago, Ldina said:

I usually launch the Colorsync Utility from the Affinity Print dialog window, mainly so I can have access to different rendering intents.

If you want to have access to Rendering Intents (Perceptual, Relative Colorimetric, etc) when printing from a Mac, you need to use the built in Colorsync Utility to access those controls. Affinity uses the built in Apple print engine. For some reason, (ill-advised in my opinion), Apple removed access to Rendering Intents in their standard print dialog window (probably to make it more simple for the average user). This can be set up as follows:

Copy the  ColorSync Utility App  and paste it in your User > Library > PDF Services folder as shown below. This will make the ColorSync Utility available whenever the PDF Dropdown box appears (in any program). This setup need only be done once. Once done, ColorSync is available from the PDF menu.

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Below is the Affinity Photo Print dialog screen. After doing my normal print setup, I click on the PDF dropdown box and select ColorSync Utility, which launches the App. Affinity then hands off the file to ColorSync for printing, which gives you access to Rendering Intents. 

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I use this all the time when printing. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, NotMyFault said:

Interesting. What happens when doing it the other way round?

@stuck Stuck probably ought to answer this, but I can offer my experience. My Canon inkjets (and previous Epson printers) have their own special algorithms for B&W printing. They know their inks and color casts well, and how to blend the inks for good neutrality, so they have routines built into the driver to provide neutral results (on their own OEM papers, of course). So for B&W, and a limited range of toned monochrome prints, I hand off the file to the printer driver and let the driver handle B&W, using its own special monochrome mode. This is often the best mode for neutral, or even toned monochrome prints.

If I have a very accurate custom color profile for a given printer/ink/paper combination, I can tone the image in APhoto, send the RGB file to the printer using my custom RGB printer profile, and that often works as well as the printer driver's monochrome mode. An inaccurate RGB printer profile often results in color casts or ugly metamerism under different lighting conditions. This is particularly noticeable when viewing B&W prints because our eyes tend to pick up those color casts fairly easily, especially in midtones and highlights. 

For color printing, I always have the application handle color management, using a custom printer profile, and turn off color management in the driver. I usually build my own custom profiles, but some paper manufacturers provide excellent, free profiles for their papers and a variety of popular printers.

occasionally allow the Canon driver to handle color, but only when I don't have an accurate printer profile for a given paper. This is a rare occurrence, so my memory is a little fuzzy, but I believe I need to convert my file to sRGB first, which is the data stream the Canon driver expects to receive. I think this is correct, at least on my current Canon printer, but I'd need to double check to verify that.

Stuck may have different reasons or a different take on this. 

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1 hour ago, Ldina said:

Stuck may have different reasons or a different take on this.

Nope, that covers it.  If I let Affinity Photo (or an ancient copy of Photoshop that I have) control the printing of B&W, my prints have a magenta cast.  If I let the printer driver control the process that doesn't happen.

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This is so strange. Affinity doesn't have a way to select icc profiles for printing. Why?

(I don't use this printer for photos - it just happened to be on and recognized by my computer when I was trying to figure out how to print with Affinity.)

How can they call Affinity a professional photo application if you can't print using custom profiles?

The DxO PhotoLab print dialog has the option to use icc profiles - so it's not a Mac thing.

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On 8/6/2024 at 3:03 PM, Ldina said:

If you want to have access to Rendering Intents (Perceptual, Relative Colorimetric, etc) when printing from a Mac, you need to use the built in Colorsync Utility to access those controls. Affinity uses the built in Apple print engine. For some reason, (ill-advised in my opinion), Apple removed access to Rendering Intents in their standard print dialog window (probably to make it more simple for the average user). This can be set up as follows:

Copy the  ColorSync Utility App  and paste it in your User > Library > PDF Services folder as shown below. This will make the ColorSync Utility available whenever the PDF Dropdown box appears (in any program). This setup need only be done once. Once done, ColorSync is available from the PDF menu.

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Below is the Affinity Photo Print dialog screen. After doing my normal print setup, I click on the PDF dropdown box and select ColorSync Utility, which launches the App. Affinity then hands off the file to ColorSync for printing, which gives you access to Rendering Intents. 

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I use this all the time when printing. 

 

 

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How did you get your Mac to allow pasting into the Library? I can't do it.

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51 minutes ago, WBMiller said:

Copy the  ColorSync Utility App  and paste it in your User > Library > PDF Services folder as shown below.

In the link you sited, is the above sentence. Copy and paste the Colorsync Utility App into the above folder. It will then appear in the dropdown for any app.

As far as custom profiles, all Affinity Apps support printing with custom profiles. Here's the Print menu. Your profiles, etc, are under "Printer Options". 

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Here's the "Color Matching" dialog box. I have selected ColorSync, then selected my custom profile for printing. I can't remember if you need to somehow install the profile in Affinity or not, so if it doesn't work with your profiles installed in Mac folders, see if you need to install those profiles into Affinity so it will recognize them.

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BTW, you don't NEED to install Colorsync into the PDF Services Folder in order to Print using Colorsync. I only installed the Colorsync utility to hand off printing from the Affinity Print dialog to Colorsync so I could have access to the rendering intents. Apple, in its infinite wisdom, has neutered their printing dialing in later OS versions (very irritating). Affinity uses the Native Apple print stream for printing. So, adding Colorsync to the dropdown makes it easy to access rendering intents. I hope that was clear.

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@WBMiller I wonder if I misunderstood the nature of your question. If I did, sorry about that.

Here's how I installed Colorsync to make it available in the Print Dropdown box

1. Go to Applications > Utilities > Colorsync Utility App

2. Highlight the Colorsync App and CMD-C to copy to the clipboard

3. Navigate to your user library (you may need to hold down Option in Finder from the "Go" menu if your user library doesn't show up). User > Library > PDF Services folder, then CMD-V to paste the ColorSync utility app into the PDF Services folder.

This need only be done once. After it is pasted into PDF services, the Colorsync utility will ALWAYS be available from that drop-down box.

Sorry for any confusion.

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On 8/6/2024 at 3:03 PM, Ldina said:

If you want to have access to Rendering Intents (Perceptual, Relative Colorimetric, etc) when printing from a Mac, you need to use the built in Colorsync Utility to access those controls. Affinity uses the built in Apple print engine. For some reason, (ill-advised in my opinion), Apple removed access to Rendering Intents in their standard print dialog window (probably to make it more simple for the average user). This can be set up as follows:

Copy the  ColorSync Utility App  and paste it in your User > Library > PDF Services folder as shown below. This will make the ColorSync Utility available whenever the PDF Dropdown box appears (in any program). This setup need only be done once. Once done, ColorSync is available from the PDF menu.

Screenshot2024-08-06at1_32_27PM.jpg.302e140e1b67f1e6bdd424443f6e1805.jpg

 

Below is the Affinity Photo Print dialog screen. After doing my normal print setup, I click on the PDF dropdown box and select ColorSync Utility, which launches the App. Affinity then hands off the file to ColorSync for printing, which gives you access to Rendering Intents. 

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I use this all the time when printing. 

 

 

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My PDF Services folder is in the System Library. I can't add to it. Also, there isn't a color management drop down in the print dialog as show in your screen shot. I've checked on my two Mac computers and it's the same.

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6 minutes ago, WBMiller said:

I've checked on my two Mac computers and it's the same.

Which driver are you using for the printer? Try expanding the Printer Info section and see what it says. macOS and the driver being used determine much of what's shown in the Print dialog, not the Affinity application. And if you're using the AirPrint driver supplied by macOS, rather than the driver supplied by Epson, that may be the reason you don't have that field.

(I am using the AirPrint driver. I don't have the Color Management field. I've tried installing the Epson driver, and I still don't get that field. But Printer Info still shows I'm using the AirPrint driver, so perhaps I've done something else wrong.)

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21 minutes ago, WBMiller said:

My PDF Services folder is in the System Library. I can't add to it. Also, there isn't a color management drop down in the print dialog as show in your screen shot. I've checked on my two Mac computers and it's the same.

I have a PDF Services folder in my System Library too, but I also have one in my User Library. Perhaps it was already there, or I may have added it, but I don't remember. Try adding a PDF Services folder to your User Library, then Copy and Paste ColorSync Utility App to that folder. It's working for me. 

What shows in the Print window may well be based on your printer and driver, so some options will look different. I have a Canon printer currently. When I used Epson printers and drivers, many options and controls looked and acted differently. I don't use AirPrint. I tried at one point, but found it was very basic and didn't give me the control I needed. 

I think what shows in that dialog box is controlled and/or configured by Apple. I hate what Apple has done over the years to their Printing system/controls. They're more focused on iPads, iPhones, etc, and don't seem to worry very much about the print market. Disabling rendering intents was probably done to make it easier for the average user, but it's a pain for somebody who wants full control. I think much of the issue is Apple related. 

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48 minutes ago, Ldina said:

I have a PDF Services folder in my System Library too, but I also have one in my User Library. Perhaps it was already there, or I may have added it, but I don't remember. Try adding a PDF Services folder to your User Library, then Copy and Paste ColorSync Utility App to that folder. It's working for me. 

What shows in the Print window may well be based on your printer and driver, so some options will look different. I have a Canon printer currently. When I used Epson printers and drivers, many options and controls looked and acted differently. I don't use AirPrint. I tried at one point, but found it was very basic and didn't give me the control I needed. 

I think what shows in that dialog box is controlled and/or configured by Apple. I hate what Apple has done over the years to their Printing system/controls. They're more focused on iPads, iPhones, etc, and don't seem to worry very much about the print market. Disabling rendering intents was probably done to make it easier for the average user, but it's a pain for somebody who wants full control. I think much of the issue is Apple related. 

I found the problem. I don't know why it's a problem but it is. I have been printing wirelessly. I tried plugging in a USB cable to the printer and the print dialog changes to include color management choices.

I wonder why that would be?

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1 hour ago, WBMiller said:

I found the problem. I don't know why it's a problem but it is. I have been printing wirelessly. I tried plugging in a USB cable to the printer and the print dialog changes to include color management choices.

I wonder why that would be?

Glad you got it working! 

I print wirelessly, but not using AirPrint. I use my desktop computer in another room as my print server and it works fine using WIFI. But, I do use the Canon supplied driver on my MacBook Pro and my Desktop unit to spool print data to my server. It was a bit frustrating to set up, but I attribute that mostly to Apple, not Affinity. 

Were you able to add Colorsync to your PDF Services to make Colorsync available from the Affinity Print dialog? Colorsync gives you full control over rendering intents, which the standard Apple print dialog does not..

EDIT: my desktop print server is directly connected to my Canon printer via a USB cable. I send print jobs via wifi from my MacBook to my server, but the server is hard wired to the printer. Just wanted to make that clear.

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2 hours ago, Ldina said:

Glad you got it working! 

I print wirelessly, but not using AirPrint. I use my desktop computer in another room as my print server and it works fine using WIFI. But, I do use the Canon supplied driver on my MacBook Pro and my Desktop unit to spool print data to my server. It was a bit frustrating to set up, but I attribute that mostly to Apple, not Affinity. 

Were you able to add Colorsync to your PDF Services to make Colorsync available from the Affinity Print dialog? Colorsync gives you full control over rendering intents, which the standard Apple print dialog does not..

EDIT: my desktop print server is directly connected to my Canon printer via a USB cable. I send print jobs via wifi from my MacBook to my server, but the server is hard wired to the printer. Just wanted to make that clear.

Still haven't been able to copy the file over. I even created a new folder and it won't copy. At least I can print correctly now. Thank you for the help!

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On 8/6/2024 at 11:06 AM, NotMyFault said:

Please make yourself familiar with the workflow using ICC profiles. You normally use print profiles only in the print UI, and never use them as document profiles in Affinity apps. 
 

Affinity has issues printing directly (at least on Mac), so for best quality export as sRGB and use the OS print functionality 

It's not just Affinity. If you have a photo/fine art printer it's a better idea not to use the macOS print drivers at all, especially the AirPrint ones.

I use Canon Pro Print & Layout for my Pro-1000 and Pro-4100. It has its own RIP.

Other people swear by QImage for printing (I bought a license but don't use it - another topic). It actually does use the macOS drivers, but it works well.

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@WBMiller I'm glad you are printing now.

Try this...navigate to the ColorSync Utility App. Right click it and select Make Alias. Then copy and paste the alias into your User PDF Services folder. That ought to work. You might have to restart your Mac to have it take effect. Worth a try.

EDIT: I just checked file sizes of the Colorsync Utility App and also of the alias I made of it as described in the previous paragraph. I definitely copied the alias to my User > PDF Services file folder. The file size is the same as the alias. It threw me off because the pasted copy did not have the word "alias" in the filename. Sorry for the confusion. 

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3 hours ago, WBMiller said:

I found the problem. I don't know why it's a problem but it is. I have been printing wirelessly. I tried plugging in a USB cable to the printer and the print dialog changes to include color management choices.

I wonder why that would be?

There are all kinds of things that can go wrong with network connections, but printing over WiFi isn't intrinsically a problem. I print pictures as large as 44"x60" and have no issues.

ICC profiles go in Library->Colorsync->Profiles (in macOS, I'm rusty and ignorant about Windows).

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12 hours ago, Ldina said:

@WBMiller I'm glad you are printing now.

Try this...navigate to the ColorSync Utility App. Right click it and select Make Alias. Then copy and paste the alias into your User PDF Services folder. That ought to work. You might have to restart your Mac to have it take effect. Worth a try.

EDIT: I just checked file sizes of the Colorsync Utility App and also of the alias I made of it as described in the previous paragraph. I definitely copied the alias to my User > PDF Services file folder. The file size is the same as the alias. It threw me off because the pasted copy did not have the word "alias" in the filename. Sorry for the confusion. 

That got it! Looking back at your screen grabs I see the little "alias" arrow on the ColorSync icon - so that must have been what you did. Thanks again!

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