Magic mouse sets off canvas rotation. Any way to turn it off?

[ennuied]

And sometimes after copying object but not physically holding the command button the rotation is still being triggered. WEIRD. Anyway to stop it from happening? Get rid of magic mouse?

[MikeTO]

Go to Settings, click Tools on the left, and deselect "Enable canvas rotation with trackpad".

Cheers

 

[Old Bruce]

1 hour ago, ennuied said:

Get rid of magic mouse?

MikeTO's advice will most likely solve your problem but I have been using an Apple Trackpad (coupled with a Wacom graphics tablet) and have been very happy with it for years and years. I have never been happy with an Apple mouse. Apple have never made a decent mouse.

[R C-R]

54 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

I have never been happy with an Apple mouse. Apple have never made a decent mouse.

Agree 100%! The MM2 is among the worst for accidental rotation & for me after using one for more than 30 minutes or so & trying to keep my finger arched over & not touching the surface my hand begins to cramp up. The old MM1 with the tiny ball on top was better in that respect except that it got dirty too quickly & required constant cleaning.

[nickbatz]

Hang on. You select an object with the V (Move) tool, move it, and it's rotating?

In Affinity Photo?

I haven't ever had that happen, can't replicate it, and I love the Magic Mouse - and I've been using them all day long since we lived in caves.

Why do people complain about it all the time? For what it's worth I have a Wacom as well, but only use it once in a while.

[nickbatz]

Actually, I'd *like* to be able to make it rotate! How do you do that (without clicking on the dot or arrow things)?

[MikeTO]

@nickbatz People used to complain about canvas rotation all the time because with a trackpad or magic mouse, it was so easy to accidentally rotate the canvas. And users didn't know how they did it or how to get it back to perfectly straight. Serif turned canvas rotation off by default in a recent update but some people still have it on.

If you do want to be able to rotate the canvas, you can select the trackpad or scrollwheel canvas rotation settings in Settings > Tools or use the menu commands to rotate in 90 degree increments. More info here:

https://affinity.help/publisher2/English.lproj/index.html?page=pages/DesignAids/rotateCanvas.html&title=Rotate document view

[R C-R]

1 hour ago, MikeTO said:

or use the menu commands to rotate in 90 degree increments.

It is in 15° increments for me, like the help topics say.

[MikeTO]

19 minutes ago, R C-R said:

It is in 15° increments for me, like the help topics say.

It's 15 degrees in Photo and Designer and 90 degrees in Publisher - I believe the reason for the difference is in a page layout app you would likely just want to rotate the canvas for sideways pages while in Photo or Designer you might need to rotate the canvas while drawing and painting.

It appears this is a copy/paste error in the help system. I'll post a bug report for this.

[nickbatz]

2 hours ago, MikeTO said:

@nickbatz People used to complain about canvas rotation all the time because with a trackpad or magic mouse, it was so easy to accidentally rotate the canvas. And users didn't know how they did it or how to get it back to perfectly straight. Serif turned canvas rotation off by default in a recent update but some people still have it on.

If you do want to be able to rotate the canvas, you can select the trackpad or scrollwheel canvas rotation settings in Settings > Tools or use the menu commands to rotate in 90 degree increments. More info here:

https://affinity.help/publisher2/English.lproj/index.html?page=pages/DesignAids/rotateCanvas.html&title=Rotate document view

Thanks Mike, I had no idea!

[ennuied]

21 hours ago, Old Bruce said:

MikeTO's advice will most likely solve your problem but I have been using an Apple Trackpad (coupled with a Wacom graphics tablet) and have been very happy with it for years and years. I have never been happy with an Apple mouse. Apple have never made a decent mouse.

I agree, it is the worst mouse I ever had just because the 'buttons' and the 'trackpad' are clashing and the mouse gets confused, was it a gesture? No just a resting finger. It is not a good design.

[R C-R]

50 minutes ago, ennuied said:

... was it a gesture? No just a resting finger.

Actually, it was a gesture. The problem with the design is if you accidentally move your finger even a tiny amount while resting it on the touch-sensitive surface it triggers the gesture. If there simply was an easy way to set a tolerance or sensitivity for that trigger it would not be so bad but as iyt is the only way I ever found to keep from accidentally triggering it was to keep my finger arched off the mouse unless I was trying to click & being very careful not to slide my finger even 1 mm when doing that!

Doing that for long resulted hand cramps so I just put the mouse away & stopped using it.

[nickbatz]

I never have any of those issues, and I have lots of gestures programmed onto it - which is one of the reasons I like it so much (you can program multitouch gestures).

As I said, I've been using these mouses all day long for years, first the battery ones and now the rechargeable ones. What I like most about it is exactly the opposite - that it's very comfortable for me. These things never mis-track, they last a long time, and I'm able to control everything about it very easily.

It's one thing to say you personally don't like it or get cramps from it, another to say it's the worst mouse ever or that it has design flaws.

I don't like trackballs, for example, but I don't post stuff on forums saying they're slower and harder to control. We're not all the same person.

[nickbatz]

I should add that I use the Apple Magic Mouse 98% of the time for art, for example brushing things and cutting out shapes, etc. (although I have a Wacom too).

And they look cool!

[user_0815]

On 8/5/2024 at 12:58 AM, Old Bruce said:

... Apple have never made a decent mouse.

Total disagree here. It's the only good mouse out here.

(Except the charging port at the bottom.)

[thomaso]

12 hours ago, ennuied said:

the 'buttons' and the 'trackpad' are clashing and the mouse gets confused, was it a gesture?

Is there really no option for the rotation gesture in the mouse settings, as the Apple help seems to indicate…? (I don't have a magic mouse to try)
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/mh29222/14.0/mac/14.0

… while the trackpad settings do have one for rotation and allow to disable the rotation gesture?
https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/mchlp1226/14.0/mac/14.0

[nickbatz]

9 hours ago, user_0815 said:

Total disagree here. It's the only good mouse out here.

(Except the charging port at the bottom.)

I wouldn't mind the charging port being at the bottom if the low-charge warning appeared before it's about to run out. BetterTouchTool, the utility I use for the above-mentioned gestures, has a feature to warn you at a prescribed percentage, but for some reason it no longer works.

My amazingly sophisticated solution is... to use a spare one when it needs to be charged.

[R C-R]

18 hours ago, nickbatz said:

I never have any of those issues, and I have lots of gestures programmed onto it - which is one of the reasons I like it so much (you can program multitouch gestures).

You have to purchase a third party add-on tool like BetterTouchTool to program more than a few basic gestures to work with the mouse, right? 

[nickbatz]

Just now, R C-R said:

You have to purchase a third party add-on tool like BetterTouchTool to program more than a few basic gestures to work with the mouse, right? 

With any input device in macOS.

Here are some of the gestures the Magic Mouse understands, so you get the idea. These are gestures, not the actions they trigger (it's a BTT screenshot):

 

[R C-R]

15 minutes ago, nickbatz said:

Here are some of the gestures the Magic Mouse understands, so you get the idea. These are gestures, not the actions they trigger (it's a BTT screenshot):

Is there a way in BBT or with anything else to change the touch sensitivity for the MM2 (or any other touch sensitive device)? IOW, some way to allow me to avoid triggering a gesture if my finger is on the top of the MM2 & I accidentally move it a tiny amount? For me (& I am pretty sure for a lot of others) that is what makes it hard for me to use it without keeping my finger off the top until/unless I want to trigger some action, particularly just a click.

[ennuied]

On 8/4/2024 at 11:58 PM, Old Bruce said:

MikeTO's advice will most likely solve your problem but I have been using an Apple Trackpad (coupled with a Wacom graphics tablet) and have been very happy with it for years and years. I have never been happy with an Apple mouse. Apple have never made a decent mouse.

Magic Trackpad? The one with haptic feedback(taptic engine)? I've heard they are not as precise as the ones on MacBooks.

[Old Bruce]

20 minutes ago, ennuied said:

Magic Trackpad? ...

I honestly don't know. It just says The Trackpad in the OS System preferences. And there isn't any "Haptic" in the preferences anywhere.

[R C-R]

3 minutes ago, ennuied said:

Magic Trackpad? The one with haptic feedback(taptic engine)? I've heard they are not as precise as the ones on MacBooks.

I have an older second generation Magic Trackpad (originally marketed as the Magic Trackpad 2). I think it is the same as the current one. I almost never use mine & I don't have a current MacBook to compare it to but as best as I can tell it is quite precise.

[R C-R]

9 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

I honestly don't know. It just says The Trackpad in the OS System preferences. And there isn't any "Haptic" in the preferences anywhere.

In Trackpad preferences, click on the Point & Click tab. At the bottom I see options for "Silent Clicking" & "Force Click and Haptic Feedback."

[Old Bruce]

12 minutes ago, R C-R said:

In Trackpad preferences, click on the Point & Click tab. At the bottom I see options for "Silent Clicking" & "Force Click and Haptic Feedback."

Ah, yes that is there. Doesn't seem to do anything useful. No Quick Look, etc happens when it is checked. So I will leave it unchecked.