swanlike Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) This is the last, and only thing, which stopped me (and many people around me) with full move into Affinity and Publisher. This is so basic(!) option. Flowing tables with repeatable headers and footers on every page. Every DTP software had this since born... Indesign with tables is a base for all works around. I simply don't use Photos and Designer because at the end, I have to place their files into Indesign. No, saving tiff from Photos or PDF from Designer, keeping native files on side... No, this is not the way in 2024. Edited July 30 by swanlike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 If you tally all of the "only thing"s that are preventing people from using any of the apps, there are certainly enough to cover the development of multiple releases by now. That alone is enough to prevent them all from showing up in the next one. PaulEC 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaoloT Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, fde101 said: That alone is enough to prevent them all from showing up in the next one. In any case, now that we have spirals, there is hope for tables! 😁 Bryan Rieger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 18 minutes ago, PaoloT said: now that we have spirals, there is hope for tables! We have had tables since before we had spirals. Spirals don't "flow" across pages either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanlike Posted July 30 Author Share Posted July 30 2 hours ago, fde101 said: If you tally all of the "only thing"s that are preventing people from using any of the apps, there are certainly enough to cover the development of multiple releases by now. That alone is enough to prevent them all from showing up in the next one. From my experience tables are much more used in publications than spirals. Tables, flowing tables are basic for huge amount of any data intense publications, which means: a lot(!) of reports, any larger catalogue and big listings, any serious large publication probably will have at least few flowing tables. From that (data/tables) perspective: Publisher is nothing more than Designer - advanced software for building one page designs. This (huge) part of design market simply CAN'T use Affinity. Spirals, on the other side, yes! I have used them: in 2003, for BRAVO magazine design... PaoloT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, swanlike said: From my experience tables are much more used in publications than spirals. Spirals are just another shape. Relatively easy to add I suspect - low-hanging fruit compared to making tables (which have been around since the first versions of Publisher) span pages (which they currently cannot). In some ways, I think Serif backed themselves into a corner with how they implemented tables in the product to start with. Rather than being part of a text flow, tables are independent entities which can optionally be pinned to text the way that an image can be. How do you "flow" something that behaves like an image? There is not really a good mechanism to "flow" tables which exist in the form that these do. Tables should have been integrated into the text flow from the beginning so that they flow as part of it, much as they do in a word processor. In the end, I think Serif will need to implement tables for a second time and do it the right way, but will then need to either maintain the current form of table as well and keep both types in parallel (further adding to user confusion), or upon import into some future version, will need to convert the exiting tables into invisible text frames with the tables embedded. Either way, this is no small task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swanlike Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 16 hours ago, fde101 said: Spirals are just another shape. Relatively easy to add [...] In the end, I think Serif will need to implement tables for a second time and do it the right way, but will then need to either maintain the current form of table as well and keep both types in parallel (further adding to user confusion), or upon import into some future version, will need to convert the exiting tables into invisible text frames with the tables embedded. Either way, this is no small task. Yes, this is how I think about it too. And I'm pretty sure that this is a bigger TODO. But, as I said, in my opinion: this is a key to open door to many data/intensive designs... And I'm, really really, waiting for this, because Affinity apps are so so light compare to adobe stuff... I love it, but I can't use it :))) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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