af_user Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Can anyone please point me how to insert characters from symbol fonts such as e.g. "Apple Symbols". With other editors I would normally just look the font up in the Font Book app and copy/paste the characters I need from there. Some editors also provide a dedicated glyph lookup window (which I'm missing a lot in Serif apps!). When I try this in Affinity Designer I'm getting a "question mark in a box" symbol every time I'm trying to copy/paste some character from Font Book app. Is there any other way to insert these? Just not Apple's "Emoji & Symbols" panel please! Thank you 000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_Campbell Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 Just want to +1 this. The Affinity team have been excellent at working through the deal-breaking issues that keep me on Illustrator, and I think the lack of a glyph palette might be the final hurdle. C'mon, guys… bring it home! ;-) taotsu, 000 and arechsteiner 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uuiop Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Hi af_user. Yes, Apple’s FontBook isn't really suited to selecting Glyphs, it's focussed on selecting and mounting fonts. More sophisticated (and paid-for) options such as 'FontExplorer X Pro' do that much better. The MacOS “Show Emoji and Symbols” on the top menu bar (especially in El Capitan) means an easily searchable Glyph index based on the cross-platform Unicode classification. It's pretty neat as it offers the Glyphs in your system in groups (Maths, Music Notation, Latin text forms, Greek, Russian, Technical, Shapes, Stars, Asterisks, Arrows, Favourites — whatever) and individually through 'Search'. It’s fast, flexible and a designer’s dream especially with your own 'Favourites' selections. Searches for a particular Glyph in the Search box bring up every font variation of that glyph in fonts installed in your system, and present them with related characters and variations. If you are working across two Desktops your Glyph palettes stay with whatever you are working on. I have used Illustrator and its character palettes (as well as Photoshop, InDesign and Xpress since their first publication) and would not go back to those palettes. Nor do I think Affinity should waste effort duplicating the macOS offering. An in-app link to "Favourites", if possible, would hardly be more convenient. Why not give it a thorough work-out? Search for a Glyph in the box (top right), or, choose a collection in the left hand column and find your Glyph there. Check for Related Characters, and Font Variations in the right hand column. Double-click the Glyph in the second column, (or Related, Font Variation columns — or Favourites) and it’s inserted into your document in your chosen font. Try typing e.g. "Armenian" in the search box. Magic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
af_user Posted June 15, 2016 Author Share Posted June 15, 2016 Hi Uuiop. This has nothing to do with using Font Book app for looking up glyphs and more with a bug in Serifs apps not being able to paste UTF text with multi-byte character codes. I'm pretty confident when you copy a character in Font Book it is the same as copying ordinary text from the web, form a PDF, form anywhere practically. Copy/pasting text a pretty basic operation. I specifically asked not to offer "Emoji & Symbols" panel in my original post B) I think you can tell from the title this panel is more for chatting than serious work, not? I admit I have issues with some standard Apple dialogs like standard Font or Color picker panels and yes, the Emoji & Symbols too. Whoever designed those needs to be be shoot down for all the suffering he caused. But regardless, despite not being able to do the most basic and common operation of viewing glyphs of a single specific font, the main problem I have with it it doesn't show all of the symbols. You can go into Customize List and tick all categories in there yet some of the symbols still wont show in the list. A totally useless thing for anything other than emojis. 000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uuiop Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Hi af_user. Thanks for the clarification, especially your last paragraph. It seems that even UTF-8 has not been able to solve all issues, and perhaps Apple should not be blamed for the shortcomings you are wrestling with. It's a complex set of issues, and it will take time to solve them. ---------------------- For other readers who may be interested: There are useful references in the UTF-8 pages in Wikipedia at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 see particularly the section on “Invalid Byte Sequences”. While Wikipedia isn’t always utterly reliable and experts will generally want to disagree with it somewhere or other, the pages are a useful introduction. The Replacement Character (Black diamond with white Question mark) is discussed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Specials_(Unicode_block)#Replacement_character. Open “Show Emoji & Symbols” then go to the cog wheel in the top left corner. Click on “Customise List” and scroll down to the bottom to see the Unicode tables. Tick the top one. As an example only (see the first two screenshots below), clicking on “Runic” Characters results in several Blanks at the end, whereas the following ’Tagalog’ has no listed characters at all -- see the third screenshot. A double-click on ᛔ (Apple Symbols version) places the glyph in your text wherever the cursor is. If you click on the 'Noto Sans Runic' version - which is not installed on my system this Question mark ᛔ appears). Perhaps this may help someone else out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted June 17, 2016 Share Posted June 17, 2016 With other editors I would normally just look the font up in the Font Book app and copy/paste the characters I need from there. In Affinity, copy & paste from Font Book works for me as long as the cursor is showing in an art or frame text box. It also works for dragging & dropping a glyph from Font Book into the Affinity workspace, even if some other tool is selected & there is no text cursor. Also, as Uuiop mentioned, the "Emoji & Symbols" panel is for more than chatting; it also can be used for serious work, including accessing 2, 3, & 4 byte UTF-8 glyphs (assuming you have fonts installed with glyphs at those code points). It is also searchable on Unicode names, so if say you need something obscure like the "Devanagari Letter AA" (Unicode point U+0906; UTF-8 E0 A4 86) you can quickly find it. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
af_user Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 Thanks guys. Sorry for the delay. I honestly struggle to drag & drop from Font Book app as R C-R suggests. Not that it doesn't work at all, as I said copying works with character codes up to a certain limit. Up to 3855 (0x0F0F) to be precise. Copying or dragging characters with codes above that will result into "Invalid Byte Sequences" diamond glyph. This cuts out about ~750 usable glyphs out of e.g. Apple Symbols font. Just try it yourself, you can see character codes as you hover glyphs in Font Book. I think it is a bug in Affinity text handling. As for the Apple's Emoji palette... I seriously doubt graphics professionals (I'm not one of them btw) rely on that for any serious work. Same as Jim_Campbell above, my colleague (the one who actually suggested me to try Affinity) is himself sticking to Illustrator because Affinity apps are lacking a number of basic features and Glyph Lookup palette is one of them. You can't really ask people to hunt for hours to find a certain symbol from a specific font in the dreaded (sorry, can't help!) Emoji panel. A simple task turns into a torture even for one single glyph let alone ten or twenty you may need. As usually, Apple was trying to be too clever and designed something off the top of their head without asking first what people need. Sorry, I think I'm taking this thread off topic with Apple standard dialog UI choices discussion B) Lets get back on track. I still struggle to come up with a solution of inserting text characters with codes above 3855. Not all of them have an assigned standard Unicode U+x code so you can't lookup those via Emoji panel either even if you add Unicode category to the list. Serif, any ideas please guys? Half a kingdom for a workaround! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
af_user Posted June 26, 2016 Author Share Posted June 26, 2016 Having experimented a little more... I discovered that you can drag & drop any glyph from the Font Book into the Emoji panel itself (right top corner where it shows the glyph) and it will find the character just fine. So a path to quickly lookup the character I need in standard Emoji panel indeed exists! From there it is back to the original problem. If you double-click to insert it into your design you get the same diamond & question glyph instead :wacko: I'm starting to think this bug has nothing to do with the codes above certain number but rather glyphs that don't have assigned Unicode U+x code... 000 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxxworld Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Hi there, I take a loop way and and open Text Editor.There I double click all Symboles & Emoji I need from Apple Symboles.Export the file as PDF. In AD open the PDF file and delete the black frames. Then you can use each symbol as pic! Quote MacBook Pro, iMac, Sierra 10.12.6 500px.com/maxxxworld www.instagram.com/markus_linner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
af_user Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 Hi Maxxxworld thanks for the advice! This method doesn't work either for the glyphs with no standard U+xxx Unicode number associated with them :unsure: See below: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I'm starting to think this bug has nothing to do with the codes above certain number but rather glyphs that don't have assigned Unicode U+x code... I think you are right about that. Affinity supports Unicode code points without any problems I can find, but doesn't know what to do with glyphs that don't have them. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
af_user Posted June 27, 2016 Author Share Posted June 27, 2016 I have finally found a workaround. Print/export the chars you need from any text editor into a Postscript .ps file then import in Affinity. The glyphs will be imported as curves so the non-Unicode chars bug not affecting them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Harris Posted June 30, 2016 Share Posted June 30, 2016 Hi Uuiop. This has nothing to do with using Font Book app for looking up glyphs and more with a bug in Serifs apps not being able to paste UTF text with multi-byte character codes. Yes, we can handle some multi-byte sequences but not all. It's not as simple as straight UTF, because FontBook gives us RTF text which adds its own layers of encoding. We were failing for two cases. The first is Unicode characters above U+FFFF. FontBook encodes them as surrogate pairs, which we weren't expecting. The second case is for glyphs that have no Unicode equivalent at all. For this FontBook uses an Apple-specific extension to the RTF specification, \glid, which I hadn't been aware of. Both of these should be working in the next beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edge Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Drag and drop of characters from Apple Colour moji doesn't seem to work although I can see that there might be a problem with non-black fonts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trudge Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 On 6/17/2016 at 7:21 PM, R C-R said: In Affinity, copy & paste from Font Book works for me as long as the cursor is showing in an art or frame text box. It also works for dragging & dropping a glyph from Font Book into the Affinity workspace, even if some other tool is selected & there is no text cursor. Also, as Uuiop mentioned, the "Emoji & Symbols" panel is for more than chatting; it also can be used for serious work, including accessing 2, 3, & 4 byte UTF-8 glyphs (assuming you have fonts installed with glyphs at those code points). It is also searchable on Unicode names, so if say you need something obscure like the "Devanagari Letter AA" (Unicode point U+0906; UTF-8 E0 A4 86) you can quickly find it. Hello and Thank You both for your responses. I've been trying to add the pi symbol to a Designer file as part of a text frame. The Font Book option worked for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, Trudge said: I've been trying to add the pi symbol to a Designer file as part of a text frame. The Font Book option worked for me. You can also use the Glyph Browser (available from the text menu) for this: select the font of interest, locate the glyph you want, & double-click on it to insert it at the text cursor position in Artistic or Frame text. There is even a search field at the bottom of the browser, but it is a bit quirky -- to filter it just to the pi symbol I had to type "small letter Pi" in the search field. Otherwise, with anything less specific like just "pi" it showed me many different glyphs, many with no obvious connection to that symbol. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jannemann Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 8/23/2018 at 9:58 PM, R C-R said: You can also use the Glyph Browser (available from the text menu) for this: select the font of interest, locate the glyph you want, & double-click on it to insert it at the text cursor position in Artistic or Frame text. There is even a search field at the bottom of the browser, but it is a bit quirky -- to filter it just to the pi symbol I had to type "small letter Pi" in the search field. Otherwise, with anything less specific like just "pi" it showed me many different glyphs, many with no obvious connection to that symbol. Thanks R C-R your suggestion just solved my problem of adding greek symbols! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitBull Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Sorry to resurrect a long-dormant thread but I was wondering if there was any update on this? I'm trying to cut/paste google material icons and am having a hell of a time. This document seems to indicate it's possible to type the unicode code directly (in Designer at least) but I cannot get this to work, nor do I appear to have a Text->Toggle Unicode option. Ideally I want to be able to do it in Photo. I can do it via the glyph browser but it takes forever and a day to find the icon I need that way. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, BitBull said: I can do it via the glyph browser but it takes forever and a day to find the icon I need that way. Type the Unicode into the search section of the Glyphs Browser. You'll need to do U+xxxx where the xxxx is the four digit Unicode code. Note that not all fonts have all the Unicode glyphs. BitBull 1 Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 1 minute ago, Old Bruce said: Note that not all fonts have all the Unicode glyphs. Very few fonts even have a full range of glyphs for all of 65,536 characters in the Basic Multilingual Plane, let alone the supplementary planes. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.4.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 3 hours ago, Old Bruce said: Type the Unicode into the search section of the Glyphs Browser. You'll need to do U+xxxx where the xxxx is the four digit Unicode code. Or you could type part of the character's Unicode name, if you don't know the code value. 3 hours ago, BitBull said: nor do I appear to have a Text->Toggle Unicode option. I can't check right now, but that might only be an option in Publisher. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 25 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: I can't check right now, but that might only be an option in Publisher. I cannot find it in either AP or AD so I think it must be only available in APub. walt.farrell 1 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BitBull Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 Thanks for the input, all. I have it sorted now, the Google index for Material Icons helpfully includes the unicode values. Alfred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 On 8/1/2022 at 2:34 PM, BitBull said: Thanks for the input, all. I have it sorted now, the Google index for Material Icons helpfully includes the unicode values. Did you find the character name/code point cross reference files? They are in the GitHub repository but kinda buried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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