New document from clipboard should create a pixel layer

[valera5505]

I feel like making an image layer when creating new document from clipboard is pointless. Chances are you want to edit something in your clipboard and copy it back. I get that image layer allows for non-destructive editing but at the same time it makes things much more complicated: you have to rasterize layer to make basic tasks (like selecting an area and moving it) and it also prevents one from simply ctrl+a -> ctrl+c to get edited result back into your clipboard. For example, I wanted to crop an area from a photo, but I forgot that I have to deal with this image layer stuff and after cropping, then copying I simply got the original image I had in my clipboard.

I don't really see a reason why it should be that way. It's also extremely frustrating for someone who'd used Photoshop before. At least make it an option, thanks.

Edited July 11 by valera5505

[Pšenda]

If I insert an Image layer into the clipboard, New from Clipboard creates a new document that includes the inserted Image layer.
If I insert an Pixel layer into the clipboard, New from Clipboard creates a new document that includes the inserted Pixel layer.
In my opinion, it works in a completely logical and completely predictable way. I don't see much reason why anyone would want to insert an Image layer and expect a Pixel layer. If I need a Pixel layer, I insert a Pixel layer, which I create by rasterizing an Image layer, for example.

[valera5505]

I don't have layers in my clipboard. I have an image that was produced by screenshotting or by copying it from the browser. If I have a layer, then yes it makes sense to paste it as it is.

When I open an image that's stored on my disk, it opens as a Pixel layer. I don't see why clipboard with the same image should act differently. 

Edited July 11 by valera5505

[Oufti]

18 hours ago, valera5505 said:

When I open an image that's stored on my disk, it opens as a Pixel layer. I don't see why clipboard with the same image should act differently. 

When you open an image file from your disk, it opens as a Pixel layer but if you place this image file, it will be as an Image layer. 

New from clipboard seems to behave as when you place an image, not as when you open it… 

[valera5505]

Well, my point is that it shouldn't. For me making new document from clipboard is basically the same as dragging and dropping an image from invisible disk. I use clipboard to be able to open an image in the editor without having to explicitly save it on my disk.

[walt.farrell]

13 minutes ago, valera5505 said:

For me making new document from clipboard is basically the same as dragging and dropping an image from invisible disk

That, too, will give you an Image layer.

[valera5505]

3 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

That, too, will give you an Image layer.

No, it won't

[walt.farrell]

Sorry. It will if you drag it onto another document, but not the way you did it. 

Yes, if we were to consider that approach and New From Clipboard as equivalent, I agree they should work the same.

[Pšenda]

6 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

Yes, if we were to consider that approach and New From Clipboard as equivalent, I agree they should work the same.

How could they be equivalent?

"Opening" an existing raster file (whether using the Open command or using drag and drop) is simply using the raster content of a file of a known format, often a lossy one. On the other hand, "creating" a new document using New from Clipboard creates a completely new document in the native affinity format, which in principle is lossless and non-destructive to the maximum extent possible - this is its main benefit and advantage. There is therefore no reason to degrade image data from the clipboard already when creating a document. If the user needs it, then let him reduce the data himself.

[walt.farrell]

11 hours ago, Pšenda said:

If the user needs it, then let him reduce the data himself.

But is there truly any "data reduction" in this case?

You had pixels in the clipboard, of a certain dimension and color settings, and you will have the same in the new document if you make it using a pixel layer or an Image layer.

[Pšenda]

5 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

But is there truly any "data reduction" in this case?

You had pixels in the clipboard, of a certain dimension and color settings, and you will have the same in the new document if you make it using a pixel layer or an Image layer.

If you leave the document as it was inserted from the clipboard, no, but if you change the dimensions of this new document, change the location and size of the image, or adjust the DPI and ICC, the image data will be recalculated when the inserted image is rasterized. The next time you resize, there will be another recalculation, and so on, so that the original image data will gradually be degraded. After all, this is the reason for keeping the image data in the Image layer container, so that the recalculation according to the size of the document/image, its position and DPI is only done once.

[Oufti]

FWIW:

On 7/11/2024 at 6:44 PM, Oufti said:

When you open an image file from your disk, it opens as a Pixel layer […]

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