Drag select not always selecting

[MikeTO]

I've been noticing a new issue with drag selection which I assume is specific to the beta because I hadn't see this before and I only use the beta for production work.

Sometimes with a selected object, drag selecting will not add to the selection. In this screen recording you can see that a group is selected and drag selecting the image and other groups doesn't do anything. I do that twice without success and then I click on the page background to deselect the group which causes drag selection to work correctly again. You'll note that Auto Select is set to Default. None of the objects are inline with the background frame.

I've tried to reproduce this in a test document but it doesn't happen very often so I'm unsure of the cause. The only clue is that immediately prior to it happening this time I was visually adjusting the rotation angle of the line in the group that was initially selected. Then I selected the group and moved it a bit. Because the child line was selected I needed to select the group and I did that in a very basic way. I clicked another group to select it and then clicked the first group again. I dragged it a bit and then tried to drag select everything when it didn't work.

 

 

[EmT]

Hi @MikeTO

Looking at your video, when you first make a selection box you have a child layer selected, so you can only select objects within that parent layer, this is expected behaviour, the selection box will not selected objects within a different hierarchy. When you then deselect the child and redraw the selection box, the other Parent layers can then be selected.

Please let me know if I am missing something as your video appears to show expected behaviour. 

[MikeTO]

6 hours ago, EmT said:

Looking at your video, when you first make a selection box you have a child layer selected, so you can only select objects within that parent layer, this is expected behaviour, the selection box will not selected objects within a different hierarchy. When you then deselect the child and redraw the selection box, the other Parent layers can then be selected.

Please let me know if I am missing something as your video appears to show expected behaviour. 

Oh, I didn't know that, thanks. This is what happens when you don't use these tools for 25 years, you expect everything to work the way they used to.

Turning this into a feature request, could there be an other option in Auto-Select? If Default selects only inside the parent layer, perhaps another option could be added to select objects on any layer, the way apps used to work?

Thanks

[Hangman]

14 hours ago, MikeTO said:

Turning this into a feature request, could there be an other option in Auto-Select? If Default selects only inside the parent layer, perhaps another option could be added to select objects on any layer, the way apps used to work?

The option already exists, just hold the Option Key when dragging...

[MikeTO]

3 hours ago, Hangman said:

The option already exists, just hold the Option Key when dragging...

I obviously need to read the manual. 🙂 

[Hangman]

4 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

I obviously need to read the manual. 🙂

I thought you wrote the manual...

[MikeTO]

3 minutes ago, Hangman said:

I thought you wrote the manual...

I haven't written that chapter yet. 🙂 

[MikeTO]

I am frustrated by this feature. There is nothing on the screen to tell me if drag will select that object I want to add to my selection unless I have the Layers panel open - I can't work with Layers open due to screen space. This feature isn't discoverable so you have to read the manual. And this feature is inconsistent - I can Shift+click on an object outside of the group to add to the selection but I can't Shift+drag the same object to add to the selection.

I have hundreds of these captions and lines, half are grouped, half are not, it depends on whether I grouped them for alignment, so I don't know if the selected object is part of a group when I start drag selecting. And once I start dragging I can't press Option to change the selection mode to include objects outside of the group and I must start over. (I should be able to press Option after I start dragging.)

Because I don't know if the object is part of a group and this feature can't be disabled, I should always Option + drag select just in case it's part of a group which seems a little silly. I can't click the page background before drag selecting since I'm always dealing with objects in a larger group that is pinned inline.

So I still want the ability to turn this off.

[anto]

2 hours ago, MikeTO said:

I am frustrated by this feature. There is nothing on the screen to tell me if drag will select that object I want to add to my selection unless I have the Layers panel open - I can't work with Layers open due to screen space. This feature isn't discoverable so you have to read the manual. And this feature is inconsistent - I can Shift+click on an object outside of the group to add to the selection but I can't Shift+drag the same object to add to the selection.

I have hundreds of these captions and lines, half are grouped, half are not, it depends on whether I grouped them for alignment, so I don't know if the selected object is part of a group when I start drag selecting. And once I start dragging I can't press Option to change the selection mode to include objects outside of the group and I must start over. (I should be able to press Option after I start dragging.)

Because I don't know if the object is part of a group and this feature can't be disabled, I should always Option + drag select just in case it's part of a group which seems a little silly. I can't click the page background before drag selecting since I'm always dealing with objects in a larger group that is pinned inline.

So I still want the ability to turn this off.

Alternatively, Control+A works regardless of whether you select an object within a group or not.

[Hangman]

2 hours ago, MikeTO said:

I can Shift+click on an object outside of the group to add to the selection but I can't Shift+drag the same object to add to the selection...

...Once I start dragging I can't press Option to change the selection mode to include objects outside of the group and I must start over. (I should be able to press Option after I start dragging.)

Option Shift Drag should work..., i.e., ensure you have Option selected, then add Shift to the mix should you need to add to the selection... Warranted an addition to the Status Bar would make sense to highlight this option...

[MikeTO]

3 hours ago, anto said:

Alternatively, Control+A works regardless of whether you select an object within a group or not.

That would be too much, I only want to select all the objects in the inline group, not all the objects on the page.