David Battistella Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Hi, I have followed this page And also read many other resources and tracked down the lating dictionaries, BUT, I am unable to check Latin (as in the medieval latin language) spelling. I have found the dictionary and installed the files here. Alll of the other dictionaries show up in Affinity Designer 2 but not Latin. I have attached what my Spelling folder looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 You have not followed the installation instructions properly; the files and folders are in the wrong location. Please check the FAQ again, particularly: Quote To install a spelling dictionary, copy the required xx_XX.dic and xx_XX.aff files within Finder to:~/Library/Spelling/ Yours are within a folder named la_LA, not directly in ~/Library/Spelling. Also, I suspect your screenshot is of /Library/Spelling, not ~/Library/Spelling, but I cannot check that right now. And: Quote To install a hyphenation dictionary, create a new subfolder in ~/Library/Spelling/ Name this subfolder using the format of xx_XX (replacing xx_XX with the language's locale id, for example fr_FR for French) and then copy the hyph_xx_XX.dic file into this folder. Yours are within a folder named la_La within a folder named la_LA. That's one folder too many. And, again, I suspect you're showing us the wrong Spelling folder, but I cannot tell from the limited screenshot provided and can't check my Mac system right now. There's also a problem the file content is wrong, depending on exactly how you performed the download. What do the first few lines of each look like? David Battistella 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff NathanC Posted April 18 Staff Share Posted April 18 Hey @David Battistella, I'm assuming that you've sourced the Latin dictionary files extracted from the .OXT file provided by David in the thread below since you posted there? I opted to rename the files to 'la_VA.dic' and 'la_VA.aff' based on the advice of MikeTO and then put them in them both in the root of the ~/Library/Spelling/ folder instead of putting them inside another subfolder. Once I did this I restarted the app, checked back in the Language section of the character panel and I was able to change the spelling language to 'Latin (Vatican City)'. For me it was listed at the very bottom of the spelling dropdown list. David Battistella 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 9 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Yours are within a folder named la_LA, not directly in ~/Library/Spelling. Also, I suspect your screenshot is of /Library/Spelling, not ~/Library/Spelling, but I cannot check that right now. Yours are within a folder named la_La within a folder named la_LA. That's one folder too many. And, again, I suspect you're showing us the wrong Spelling folder, but I cannot tell from the limited screenshot provided and can't check my Mac system right now. There's also a problem the file content is wrong, depending on exactly how you performed the download. What do the first few lines of each look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 9 minutes ago, NathanC said: Hey @David Battistella, I'm assuming that you've sourced the Latin dictionary files extracted from the .OXT file provided by David in the thread below since you posted there? I opted to rename the files to 'la_VA.dic' and 'la_VA.aff' based on the advice of MikeTO and then put them in them both in the root of the ~/Library/Spelling/ folder instead of putting them inside another subfolder. Once I did this I restarted the app, checked back in the Language section of the character panel and I was able to change the spelling language to 'Latin (Vatican City)'. For me it was listed at the very bottom of the spelling dropdown list. Yes and I did the Walt trick of renaming the file extension to zip. Let me try these other suggestions and see if renaming is helpful. Thanks for the feedback! David ON the affinity instructions page there are windows screenshots but not what this folder should "look like" on mac OSX I thought we had to have folders named xx_XX then files named xx_XX within the folder and the a folder with the hyphenation dictionary within that folder. See the post to walt for the file structure in the folder. yes it is the ~/Library folder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Thanks. Still not clear to me until I can get to my Mac. As for the contents of the en_GB.aff file, it would be more useful to see the contents of the Latin files, which as I understand it are the ones that aren't working for you. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 Thanks walt. I used the goto folder setting to make sure I was in the correct folder. walt.farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 For what it is worth, this is what the resulting languages look like in Affinity. Still no LATIN after changing the names to la_VA Bu this has me a bit confused because there are a bunch of languages in there that are not in the Spelling folder David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 Adding for the benefit of others who might need this info later. What I am seeing in Affinity Publisher V2 is the representation of the Dictionaries from within MAC OSX SYSTEM PREFERENCES> KEYBOARD then follow these steps to set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 17 minutes ago, David Battistella said: Bu this has me a bit confused because there are a bunch of languages in there that are not in the Spelling folder They are supplied by macOS, probably. As I mentioned before, your folder structure in your Spelling folder does not match what the FAQ tells you. Please try correcting that. I suspect that none of the languages you have added are being recognized by the Affinity applications. David Battistella 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 I think you are absolutely correct. Affinity is not seeing any of languages in the spelling folder. Perhaps the folders have to have a hyphen instead of an underscore. IE: la-LA for a folder la_LA.dic la_LA.aff I'g going to try getting rid of all folders except hyphenation folders David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 This folder structure in the post above now allows me to choose from a spelling LIBRARY as indicated within Affinity. But despite "turning those languages off at the OSX level in system settings they still all show up in Affinity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 Bingo on getting the folder languages correctly inside the folders. The operation on the OSX side did not seem to eliminate the problem of all the other languages showing up in Affinity. The other problem is of course, the latin spellchecker is replacing every letter u with the letter v in it's place. Just love troubleshooting! David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 Hi David, I think I've confused a couple of different features. macOS System Settings have no impact on the languages that will appear in Affinity. I recommend changing Automatic by Language to English UK or whatever language you normally use - that will ensure that when you spell check in Notes, Pages, Mail, or another app that it will add words to the same dictionary as you're using in Affinity. If you use Automatic by Language and click Learn in those other apps, by default they'll add words to LocalDictionary which Affinity does not use. The languages you choose in macOS System Settings are just the dictionaries used by Automatic by Language - ignore this. You have a lot of stuff in your Spelling folder. You don't need to install en_CA.aff and en_CA.dic - those are bundled in the OS folder which you can't see. Unless you've found a better English Canada dictionary from some source I'm unaware of, you're just replacing the system copy of these files with your own copy and nothing is changing. The same goes for all the other English and Italian dictionaries you've installed there. I've included a table in my Publisher manual (link in my signature) that lists which dictionaries are included with macOS. Those it_IT.aff.txt and .dic.txt files should be deleted - those were incorrectly downloaded and shouldn't be in the Spelling folder. They're being ignored. I would delete everything in that folder except the three dynamic (cache) files and LocalDictionary, other than the two new la_VA files which it sounds like you've now correctly installed. Good luck! David Battistella 1 Quote Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M1 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, MikeTO said: You have a lot of stuff in your Spelling folder. You don't need to install en_CA.aff and en_CA.dic - those are bundled in the OS folder which you can't see. Unless you've found a better English Canada dictionary from some source I'm unaware of, you're just replacing the system copy of these files with your own copy and nothing is changing. The same goes for all the other English and Italian dictionaries you've installed there. I've included a table in my Publisher manual (link in my signature) that lists which dictionaries are included with macOS. Those it_IT.aff.txt and .dic.txt files should be deleted - those were incorrectly downloaded and shouldn't be in the Spelling folder. They're being ignored. I would delete everything in that folder except the three dynamic (cache) files and LocalDictionary, other than the two new la_VA files which it sounds like you've now correctly installed. Good luck! yup. All I have in there now is the latin dictionaries, but affinity is still showing me all these other languages (probably happening at the OS level feeding them to the app) Bu the folder is paired down. Right after this I am doing a system restart to clear out the gremlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 For what it's worth, the Affinity app package may already contain a hyphenation .dic for Latin (filler text). /Applications/Affinity Publisher.app/Contents/Resources/Dictionaries/la David Battistella 1 Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 2 minutes ago, thomaso said: For what it's worth, the Affinity app package may already contain a hyphenation .dic for Latin (filler text). Although Lorem ipsum filler text is based on Latin and therefore looks like Latin, it isn’t actually Latin. David Battistella 1 Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 1 minute ago, Alfred said: Although Lorem ipsum filler text is based on Latin and therefore looks like Latin, it isn’t actually Latin. Hence u's turning to v's with the latin spellchecker. Alfred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 9 minutes ago, thomaso said: For what it's worth, the Affinity app package may already contain a hyphenation .dic for Latin (filler text). /Applications/Affinity Publisher.app/Contents/Resources/Dictionaries/la Only for Windows and I think that was a mistake. Alfred 1 Quote Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M1 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 27 minutes ago, Alfred said: Although Lorem ipsum filler text is based on Latin and therefore looks like Latin, it isn’t actually Latin. ... but filler text appears to trigger & use a hyphenation dictionary "Latin". It might not be sufficient for 'true' Latin, that's why I started with "what it's worth…". 22 minutes ago, MikeTO said: Only for Windows and I think that was a mistake. I have it on mac in APub's V1 app package as "hyph_la.dic" (2 kB). – What hyphenation .dic is used for filler text for you in V2 / mac? Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 I am considering this to remove localisation language files, but they can only be replaced with an OS install. https://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/7758/monolingual david Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 3 minutes ago, David Battistella said: they can only be replaced with an OS install. What do you mean by "replaced"? – I used this decades ago in various macs successfully, it does not only remove system (macOS) language files but also according files from app packages. If you have Adobe apps installed it is recommended not to remove their language files because they might not launch any more (and require re-installation). (when I used "Monolingual" it offered a dialog for excluding Adobe in particular) David Battistella 1 Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Battistella Posted April 18 Author Share Posted April 18 I don't use any adobe products. I don't see any option in this version for excluding Adobe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, David Battistella said: I am considering this to remove localisation language files, but they can only be replaced with an OS install. I wouldn't do that unless you're really short on disk space. You never know what problem it will cause down the road and if you turn to Apple for support they'll have to tell you reinstall macOS. I don't think it's worth the trouble. 1 hour ago, thomaso said: ... but filler text appears to trigger & use a hyphenation dictionary "Latin". It might not be sufficient for 'true' Latin, that's why I started with "what it's worth…". [EDIT: corrected] You're right, Serif bundled the Latin hyphenation dictionary with both Windows and Mac, I'd figured this out last year when I was writing that section of my manual but I forgot. But as you've pointed out, when you choose Expand Field for filler text it automatically sets Hyphenation Language and Typography Script to Latin. It changes the language from whatever you had chosen to None to avoid a mess of red underlines but not to Latin because even if the dictionary was installed filler text isn't real Latin and there would still be some red underlines. Well that was fun. 🙂 Edited April 18 by MikeTO Corrected Quote Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M1 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted April 18 Share Posted April 18 3 minutes ago, MikeTO said: Serif bundled the Latin hyphenation dictionary with the Windows package (not the Mac package) which seemed like an oversight since the spelling dictionary isn't included This makes me still ask how hyphenation works for you on mac in V2 (while I do have the .dic in V1). I don't wonder that the spelling dictionary is not included, it may simply not be required for filler text because that text is an internal app resource which might be "spell checked" before implementation. Also note that this app folder …/Resources/Dictionaries/… contains only hyphenation .dic files (but for various languages), no spelling .aff at all. Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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