Discover Hawk Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 In PS or photopea, there are at least 5 rendering modes available for text selection, which are very useful, especially None. I didn't find this feature in affinity, where can I find it? In None mode, the text is displayed as shown in the following image. his is what it looks like in Affinity,when turning antialiasing off (same file)，It looks ugly and can no longer be read: Here are the files and fonts, which have been bothering me for many years. I have been buying V1 to V2, but the PS cannot be thrown away, which is a big reason. SIMLI.TTF test.psd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 This feature doesn't exist in Affinity. I much prefer apps that use the system's antialiasing rather than their own. To get a pixelated text effect as you've shown just use a pixelated font such as Pixelify Sans. https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Pixelify+Sans Quote Download a free PDF manual for Affinity Publisher 2.5 Download a quick reference chart for Affinity's Special Characters Affinity 2.5 for macOS Sequoia 15.0.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M1 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discover Hawk Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 6 minutes ago, MikeTO said: This feature doesn't exist in Affinity. I much prefer apps that use the system's antialiasing rather than their own. To get a pixelated text effect as you've shown just use a pixelated font such as Pixelify Sans. https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Pixelify+Sans I hope any font can be pixelated, but currently it doesn't work, fortunately there is still Photosea available. Westerwälder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discover Hawk Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 46 minutes ago, lacerto said: I personally much prefer apps that directly let the user decide whether use system (2 kinds) or app specific (4 kinds) antialiasing, or what was asked, no antialiasing at all The last option, turning antialiasing off, luckily exists also in Affinity apps (Photo, and the whole trio, when exporting rasterized), and you can simulate the other options: Unfortunately, this is not just antialiasing，This is what it looks like in PS： This is what it looks like in Affinity,when turning antialiasing off (same file)，It looks ugly and can no longer be read: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nezumi Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 What is the actual font? I would like to fiddle with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discover Hawk Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 1 minute ago, nezumi said: What is the actual font? I would like to fiddle with it. Chinese font "隶书" nezumi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discover Hawk Posted March 30 Author Share Posted March 30 1 hour ago, lacerto said: Yes, it is poor. Using Thresholding might give you something more closely to PS aliased text, but its readability is also much weaker compared to mathematically accurate glyph-determined rendering that can be achieved in PS (or GIMP). Maybe GIMP It's a good choice, I plan to give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 21 hours ago, Discover Hawk said: Unfortunately, this is not just antialiasing，This is what it looks like in PS： This is what it looks like in Affinity,when turning antialiasing off (same file)，It looks ugly and can no longer be read: That looks like a font hinting issue. Exactly what font is that? This "隶书" translates to "clerical script" - which is a CN style of writing. So it could be one of many fonts with that in the name, or description. What exact font? What foundry? What version? A link to a page where the font is available? How big is this text in the document? I only see 8 pixels in height. You may be able to get the same effect by deleting the hinting from the font. And if that works - then to get the same effect Affinity would have to be able to disable the font hinting in addition to disabling anti-aliasing. Which may be what the other apps are doing. Without seeing the actual font, this is all just a big guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted March 30 Share Posted March 30 Obsolete. kenmcd and iuli 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discover Hawk Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 8 hours ago, kenmcd said: That looks like a hinting issue. Exactly what font is that? This "隶书" translates to "clerical script" - which is a CN style of writing. So it could be one of many fonts with that in the name, or description. What exact font? What foundry? What version? A link to a page where the font is available? How big is this text in the document? I only see 8 pixels in height. You may be able to get the same effect by deleting the hinting from the font. And if that works - then to get the same effect Affinity would have to be able to disable the font hinting in addition to disabling anti-aliasing. Which may be what the other apps are doing. Without seeing the actual font, this is all just a big guess. Here are the files and fonts, which have been bothering me for many years. I have been buying V1 to V2, but the PS cannot be thrown away, which is a big reason. test.psd SIMLI.TTF kenmcd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discover Hawk Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 5 hours ago, lacerto said: Disregarding the font, it seems that there are app-related differences that are fundamental as for rendering of non-antialiased type. I initially (and naively) thought that turning off antialiasing in Blend Options would "simply" just revert to turning off resolution-dependent skeleton glyphs math. That is, that having "None" as an antialiasing method in apps like GIMP, Photoshop and any of the Affinity app trio would give identical rendering, when having the same document DPI. That it is obviously NOT so, it is a worth of a more fundamental study or declaration! It's like this, after testing, GIMP's performance is also not good in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Interesting font. UPM is 256. It does have hinting. Cannot see much else useful - on my phone ATM. More tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discover Hawk Posted March 31 Author Share Posted March 31 2 hours ago, lacerto said: Do you mean that it is sluggish, or what? It seems that this is a question of app's support of TrueType hinting, and when I tested this with Photoshop (25.6.0) and GIMP (2.10.36), using LiSu, and FontLab 8.3 (using Monochrome hinting), the results are identical as for rendering. TrueTypeHinting.mp4 16.05 MB · 0 downloads Sorry, the previous testing of GIMP was not rigorous enough. I tested it again and after removing the anti aliasing, the results were consistent with PS. This also excited me. I have a new solution to replace PS. It's great, buddy. debraspicher and lacerto 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Removing the font hinting appears to have had no effect. But, given how little I know about APhoto... Here is the modified font for testing. Renamed to: LiSuAFNH (LiSu Affinity Forum No Hinting) Note: I did not change the Chinese localized font name. So on a Chinese language system there will be a name conflict with the old font. Do not install both at the same time in that case. LiSuAFNH-Regular.ttf.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Medical Officer Bones Posted March 31 Share Posted March 31 Just for testing: also works fine in PhotoLine when anti-aliasing is turned off. Affinity doesn't do aliased very well in my experience. Perhaps it will be fixed in the future, but this issue has come up before, so... debraspicher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debraspicher Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 16 hours ago, Discover Hawk said: Sorry, the previous testing of GIMP was not rigorous enough. I tested it again and after removing the anti aliasing, the results were consistent with PS. This also excited me. I have a new solution to replace PS. It's great, buddy. Yes buddy, welcome to the club. We all hoard collect software here like little gremlins to do our bidding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 7 hours ago, lacerto said: app that supports the feature Interesting! I never realized that something like this even exists – possibly because I've rarely ever used a bitmap editor for typography work. This thread should be turned into a feature request. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 18 minutes ago, lacerto said: In small point sizes aliased text (earlier achieved with bitmap [system] fonts of different sizes) typically works much better that antialiased vector-based type rasterized real-time. When looked at certain distance, the human brain (appropriately limited eyesight) creates the best possible combination of accuracy and smoothening of edges. I know all that, of course. (No matter how ugly Arial is in print, it used to look great at small sizes on CRT displays; unlike Helvetica.) What I didn't know is that some apps have the feature to turn the defined bitmap preview on and off. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 57 minutes ago, loukash said: What I didn't know is that some apps have the feature to turn the defined bitmap preview on and off. Isn't this also available in Affinity via 'blend options' as mentioned above… and the issue / difference rather a matter of the Affinity feature 'pixel alignment' + sub-pixel display in pixel view? antialias txt PSD-APh.m4v Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 11 minutes ago, thomaso said: Isn't this also available in Affinity via 'blend options' as mentioned above You can somewhat emulate it by turning antialiasing off and finetune using coverage map. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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