ShenaJ Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 I'm trying to create a design using Grrovy Script - Retro Font which has a bunch of glyphs for each letter. However, in Designer, i'm not getting any of those glyphs, just the standard characters. I use this font in other applications without any trouble. I've tried switching the Glyph Browser from Glyphs, to Unicode, to Unicode Plus Alternates and it makes no difference. Can anyone tell me how I can find the rest of my glyphs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Can you show us what your Glyph Browser looks like when you are trying to select one of the glyphs you want to select? Also, is that font a variable font or a static font? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShenaJ Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 Absolutely! Here it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShenaJ Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 Also, here is an example of the amount of glyphs included just for that L. This is what I would hope to see on Designer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Thanks for the screen-grabs. If the font you are using is this one https://elements.envato.com/groovy-retro-font-8M4TS9R then that doesn’t look like a ‘simple’ font so I don’t know how well it will work in the Affinity applications, and I don’t have an envato log-in to download and test it myself. Someone else should be able to though so I’ll leave it to someone who can help better than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShenaJ Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 @GarryP thank you, I appreciate you trying to help! Yes, that's the correct font. I didn't link it here because I wasn't sure that was allowed. Thanks again, for trying! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarryP Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 You’re welcome; fingers crossed that someone will be able to give you better news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 27 minutes ago, ShenaJ said: I didn't link it here because I wasn't sure that was allowed. It’s not OK to share commercial font files, but it’s always OK to link to third-party resources so that other forum users can see exactly what you’re working with. Hendra Pratama’s ‘Groovy’ typeface offers Swashes, Ligatures, Contextual Alternates, Stylistic Alternates and Stylistic Sets. Have you tried switching on the various OpenType features instead of accessing the glyphs directly via the Glyph Browser? Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShenaJ Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 @Alfred thank you for that info, I figured it was better to err on the side of caution. As far as turning on OpenType features, I'm not sure how to do that, can you explain further. I'm trying hard to switch away from Illustrator and all that was just automatic there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 Go to the Typography section of the Character panel to choose any of the supported OpenType features. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShenaJ Posted March 22 Author Share Posted March 22 @Alfred thank you! I was able to find them. Takes a bit more thought, but happ to get it to work! Alfred 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 29 minutes ago, ShenaJ said: @Alfred thank you! I was able to find them. Takes a bit more thought, but happ to get it to work! That’s great news, @ShenaJ! Thanks for the update. Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfred Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 14 minutes ago, lacerto said: This font made me also wonder whether certain typographic features like "Contextual Alternates" and "Stylistic Alternates" (and the combination of both), and even Stylistic Sets, are kinds of presets designed to be used with all the characters using the same font (instead of requiring character-wise selection of alternatives, which there can be over 20 for certain characters)? Welcome to the wonderful world of OpenType feature scripting! It’s possible to define classes of characters and then specify how members of those classes should (or shouldn’t!) be affected when a particular OpenType feature is switched on. AFDKO (Adobe Font Development Kit for OpenType): OpenType™ Feature File Specification Quote Alfred Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for Windows • Windows 10 Home/Pro Affinity Designer/Photo/Publisher 2 for iPad • iPadOS 17.5.1 (iPad 7th gen) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Some of the "features" are actually OpenType (OT) features and some are constructions by the application. For example there is no All Caps feature in OT. 5 hours ago, lacerto said: But as the Character panel has a button labelled as "Character Variants"... ...I wonder if this is something that is intended to show alternatives for single characters in a separate window (and in bigger size), but just has not been implemented yet? (I could not find a way to make this feature working with any of the fonts that I tested.) Character Variants (cvNN) is an actual OT feature which Affinity does support when it is actually present. To test take a look at the fonts Charis SIL and Junicode. They both have OT Character Variants. ID does not support cvNN at all (there is an add-on available which does). 5 hours ago, lacerto said: But I began to wonder this because Adobe and Affinity apps show available stylistic sets quite differently, Adobe apps (including Photoshop 2024) and CorelDRAW showing all available stylistic variations only in context of glyph selection Affinity only shows the actual OT feature Access All Alternates (aalt) if it actually exists in the font. Adopey apps construct this (whether it actually exists or not in OT) and that is what is displayed in the alternates pop-up. Groovy Script actually has an aalt feature and the font developer actually created it manually (more advanced font editors can create it automatically). Pluses and minuses - Automatically may create duplicates and odd exceptions - Manually may miss alternates but could also be a well thought-out and better. It appears there is a newer version of the font with more features than the version I have (v1.000). Regarding the Stylistic Sets (ssNN) - it appears the newer font may have multiple alternates on the ssNN (like on cvNN). Junicode 2 has started doing this. Because they have more than ss01-ss20 (and do not want to exceed ss20). Some apps will work all the way up to ss99 (APub, ID, LibreOffice), and some fonts will use up to ss99. And some apps will only display up to ss20 (Word). And some do not work with the ssNN variants. Since ID does not support OT Character Variants at all, I assume it also may not support variants in Stylistic Sets. And on and on... Would have to see the newer font to determine exactly what is happening. Additional thoughts... - applying some OT features will block other OT features (depends on the order inside the font) - fonts may have errors/bugs in the OT features. The more complex the font, the more likely there are issues. lacerto and Oufti 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 7 hours ago, lacerto said: But as the Character panel has a button labelled as "Character Variants"... ...I wonder if this is something that is intended to show alternatives for single characters in a separate window (and in bigger size), but just has not been implemented yet? (I could not find a way to make this feature working with any of the fonts that I tested.) If you try that button with Charis SIL or Junicode you get a display like the one you showed: It feels odd that the button is not highlighted as being active, until after I click on it, so there's no way to be sure if it will do anything before you click. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.7, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, walt.farrell said: It feels odd that the button is not highlighted as being active, until after I click on it, so there's no way to be sure if it will do anything before you click. Should be grayed-out and do nothing if there are no Character Variants. And as you say, be highlighted when there are. walt.farrell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Obsolete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenmcd Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Had thoughts/explanations in response to your post yesterday, and the new post today - but just don't feel like contributing to the Affinity forum today...for some reason... lacerto 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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