Expand Stroke (Group Children)

[MC909]

Is it possible to expand stroke on children of a group(s)?

[firstdefence]

You would have to select the layers within the group, you cannot select the group layer itself and then select expand stroke.

[Return]

Makes me wonder why the expand stroke option isn't greyed out here.

[Alfred]

6 minutes ago, Return said:

Makes me wonder why the expand stroke option isn't greyed out here.

There are quite a few examples of this kind of thing, sadly.

[Return]

1 minute ago, Alfred said:

There are quite a few examples of this kind of thing, sadly.

I know 🙄

[loukash]

4 hours ago, firstdefence said:

you cannot select the group layer itself and then select expand stroke.

Well, you can, but nothing happens because the group object itself doesn't have any stroke attribute.
But it'll get even weirder if you select a group and an ungrouped stroke outside that group: Then the contained strokes of the group will lose its stroke attributes, or rather "inherit" the lack of stroke attributes of the parent group object. 
Theoretically and technically likely "logical".
Practically: nuts. 
Possibly even a bug.

To work around all this, make sure Auto Select: Object is active, then drag a canvas selection with the Move tool to select only the nested objects of groups. Then you can expand them.

[Alfred]

8 hours ago, loukash said:

Theoretically and technically likely "logical".

It doesn’t sound at all logical to me! If the attributes of the strokes in the group can be affected when the parent object is selected, that should happen consistently: it shouldn’t depend on whether or not an ungrouped stroke is selected at the same time.

[thomaso]

12 hours ago, loukash said:

Well, you can, but nothing happens because the group object itself doesn't have any stroke attribute.
(…) Theoretically and technically likely "logical".

What makes you assume this? – Note, a Group layer "itself" may get an outline layer effect applied (affecting the entire Group of nested objects, not its layers individually) or may get a stroke applied that inherits the stroke to each nested object individually.

You even can apply Fill, Stroke and Layer Effect to an empty group layer … while the effect will get applied to objects that get nested later, the stroke does not – although the UI still reports Fill & Stroke as the Group's attribute.

This does not appear to be "logical" at all but rather seems to be a question of what gets displayed and what does not. – In the images below we can discuss endless whether the context toolbar is wrong or whether the object appearance in the layout + layer thumbnail + possibly export is failing.

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