the hyphenation function

[AvdB-Netherlands]

Hello,

When I hyphenate words in a aligned piece of text itself, I get comments at <Preflight> as shown in the attached screenshot. The language I have set is set to <Dutch> as well as the hyphenation function. (That confesses: it is set to <Auto>.

So why is it that Affinity Publisher makes a note of this in the <Preflight>? Can this be removed? Or can I 'just' ignore this?

Thank you very much for your response!

[walt.farrell]

Are you manually inserting hyphens, or are they generated by the Automatic Hyphenation function (specified in the Paragraph panel or Text Style)?

Can you create and share a small sample .afpub file that demonstrates the problem?

[thomaso]

1 hour ago, AvdB-Netherlands said:

When I hyphenate words in a aligned piece of text itself, I get comments at <Preflight>

Don't simply type the - character but insert a "soft hyphen" instead. It gets displayed in the interface as a 'special character' in blue colour.

Do you get any automatic hyphenation at all? Do you have a Dutch hyphenation option in the menu or is a Dutch hyphenation dictionary installed at all?
– To me the "Auto" setting appears not to work for a Dutch text and doesn't influence it …

…whereas choosing another, explicit hyphenation dictionary does work:

[walt.farrell]

57 minutes ago, thomaso said:

To me the "Auto" setting appears not to work for a Dutch text and doesn't influence it …

Do you have the Dutch hyphenation dictionary installed? 

[AvdB-Netherlands]

Hi,

Yes, I have the Dutch language installed. 

[thomaso]

21 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Do you have the Dutch hyphenation dictionary installed? 

I don't think so (I can't find the default dictionaries in my macOS … and the Affinity.app package doesn't contain Dutch hyphenation but spelling only). My mac has a few Dutch hyphenation .dic in Application Support / Adobe / … but obviously not available for Affinity. – That is why I asked the OP for their result caused by the "Auto" setting in APub.

3 minutes ago, AvdB-Netherlands said:

Yes, I have the Dutch language installed. 

Dutch spelling only – or hyphenation, too?
Can you choose Dutch for hyphenation, instead of "Auto" in APub?

Do you get any hyphenation with the "Auto" option at all? – If yes, I wonder why you need to add manual hyphenation, it should not be required if the text style has hyphenation activated with the according sub-settings.

Can you show a screenshot of your text examples with the related sections of the two panels (char & par) and the "Show Special Characters" activated?

[MikeTO]

2 minutes ago, thomaso said:

I don't think so (I can't find the default dictionaries in my macOS

The Dutch hyphenation dictionary is not included with macOS and the Auto option will default to English hyphenation unless the user installs it. I just tested installing nl_NL in case there was a problem but it works fine.

[AvdB-Netherlands]

20 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Ik denk het niet (ik kan de standaardwoordenboeken niet vinden in mijn macOS … en het pakket Affinity.app bevat geen Nederlandse woordafbreking, maar alleen spelling). Mijn mac heeft een paar Nederlandse woordafbrekingen .dic in Application Support / Adobe / … maar uiteraard niet beschikbaar voor Affinity. – Daarom vroeg ik het OP om hun resultaat, veroorzaakt door de instelling "Auto" in APub .

Alleen Nederlandse spelling – of ook woordafbreking ? Kun je in APub
Nederlands kiezen voor woordafbreking, in plaats van "Auto" ?

Krijgt u überhaupt een woordafbreking bij de optie "Auto"? – Zo ja, dan vraag ik me af waarom u handmatige woordafbreking moet toevoegen . Dit zou niet nodig moeten zijn als de tekststijl woordafbreking heeft geactiveerd met de overeenkomstige subinstellingen.

Kunt u een screenshot laten zien van uw tekstvoorbeelden met de gerelateerde secties van de twee panelen (char & par) en de optie "Speciale tekens tonen" geactiveerd?

Beiden heb ik geïnstalleerd. 

[thomaso]

20 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

The Dutch hyphenation dictionary is not included with macOS and the Auto option will default to English hyphenation unless the user installs it.

Is this "will default to English" a macOS or an Affinity decision?

To me in V1 the "Auto" option does not default to "English" hyphenation but simply does no hyphenation for this Dutch text:

… whereas a manual selected English hyphenation does have an affect (regardless of its quality) for the Dutch text:

[walt.farrell]

33 minutes ago, thomaso said:

I don't think so

Then there's no way that Auto could work for language tagged as Dutch.

[walt.farrell]

14 minutes ago, AvdB-Netherlands said:

Beiden heb ik geïnstalleerd. 

But, is the hyphenation dictionary installed correctly?

1. Did you follow the instructions in the first post of the FAQ: https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/190021-how-do-i-add-additional-dictionaries-to-affinity-v2/#comment-1111426
2. And, did you download the file from the third post of that FAQ, or some other way?
3. And, I don't think you answered whether you're adding hyphens manually or using the Automatic Hyphenation function.

[thomaso]

Just now, walt.farrell said:

Then there's no way that Auto could work for language tagged as Dutch.

Yes, that was obvious. –> The question is rather if the OP (with both spelling & hyphenation for Dutch installed) does get hyphenation with the "Auto" option, … or why a manual setting would be wanted at all?

And/or why @MikeTO experiences "auto-default" to English for a not installed hyphenation language? – Do you get this, too?

2 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

But, is the hyphenation dictionary installed correctly?

It is still unclear whether hyphenation does work at all for the OP. Maybe their paragraph style has hyphenation deactivated while the OP preferred to set hyphenation selectively and manually. This is still not answered yet. Thus ideas about possibly faulty installation maybe irrelevant or misleading.

Note, we even don't know yet whether the OP's preflight panel result caused by manually typed dash - characters was the only issue and question?

[walt.farrell]

12 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Thus ideas about possibly faulty installation maybe irrelevant or misleading.

But improper installation is still (I think) among the more common reasons for automatic hyphenation not working.

[MikeTO]

1 hour ago, thomaso said:

Is this "will default to English" a macOS or an Affinity decision?

To me in V1 the "Auto" option does not default to "English" hyphenation but simply does no hyphenation for this Dutch text:

… whereas a manual selected English hyphenation does have an affect (regardless of its quality) for the Dutch text:

You are correct, sorry for the mistake. If the nl_NL hyphenation isn't installed then no auto hyphenation will be performed.

[thomaso]

48 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

reasons for automatic hyphenation not working

Maybe, – but is not working hyphenation the case here at all?

Unfortunately @AvdB-Netherlands clicked the “Thanks” response on several replies, but did not clearly explain their actual (real) versus their possible (theoretical) problem. – Maybe simply the paragraph style did not have hyphenation activated?

[thomaso]

5 hours ago, AvdB-Netherlands said:

So why is it that Affinity Publisher makes a note of this in the <Preflight>? Can this be removed? Or can I 'just' ignore this?

• APub's Preflight marks this words because they don't exist in the dictionary with your custom spelling (with manually added dash - characters within words).

• It can be removed by either correcting the spelling – or by adding this spelling to the exceptions (-> the "learn" option).

• You can ignore this Preflight notes if you want the spelling this way in your resulting export.

 

–> How to avoid this Preflight notes: With both Dutch spelling and hyphenation dictionaries set, activate + refine the hyphenation options in the paragraph style to achieve automatic hyphenation without a need for manual interaction.

[AvdB-Netherlands]

13 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Misschien, – maar is hier helemaal geen sprake van werkende woordafbreking ?

Helaas@AvdB-Nederlandklikte op het antwoord 'Bedankt' bij verschillende antwoorden, maar legde hun werkelijke (echte ) versus hun mogelijke (theoretische) probleem niet duidelijk uit. – Misschien was de woordafbreking eenvoudigweg niet geactiveerd voor de alineastijl?

Ik heb nu de juiste nl_Nl afbreekfunctie geïnstalleerd. Het spijt me dat ik niet eerder en duidelijker geantwoord heb.

Ik klikte op 'bedankt' om u allen te bedanken voor uw suggesties. Ik ben er pas daarna mee aan de slag gegaan. 

Ik wil allen die op mijn vraag en/of probleem hebben geantwoord heel hartelijk bedanken. Ik zal voortaan duidelijker met u communiceren.