Customise Toolbar issue - cannot drag tools to, or remove from, overflow

[Affinity_Pro]

1. What Application are you using? Photo 2
2. Are you using the latest release version? Yes
3. Can you reproduce it? Yes
4. Does it happen for a new document? If not can you upload a document that shows the problem? Always
5. If you cannot provide a sample document then please give an accurate description of the problem for example it should include most of the following:
6. What is your operating system and version (Windows 11, OSX Ventura, iOS 16 etc)? OSX Big Sur 11.7.10 / Macbook late 2013 retina with i7 processor and 8gb ram

Issue:

In AP2, open any document and leave in Photo persona.

Look at toolbar at top of window. Depending on your screen size, if there is an overflow of icons/tools on the toolbar there will be a double chevron at the end of the toolbar (>>) to indicate additional icons/tools.

The issue is when customising the toolbar, you cannot add icons/tools to anywhere in the overflow section. For example, you can't add a new icon/tool as the very last item in the overflow. You can drop icons/tools anywhere in the visible toolbar, including the last position of the visible toolbar, but not into the overflow itself.  In addition, you can't remove icons/tools from the overflow toolbar. In the attached video I show how the 'Personas' tools can't be added to anywhere in the overflow section. Nor can any items in the overflow be brought into the visible toolbar.

Expected behaviour:
I would expect the overflow section to pop up and remain visible when I open the customise toolbar screen.

I have tested all with my mouse as the trackpad can sometimes have unexpected behaviour in AP2.

Thanks in advance

Screen Recording 2024-01-20 at 23.14.14.mov

[loukash]

16 minutes ago, Affinity_Pro said:

Expected behaviour:
I would expect the overflow section to pop up and remain visible when I open the customise toolbar screen.

Do other Apple or 3rd party apps behave like this if you edit their toolbar?
That's a genuine question because I don't remember having experienced this on OS X in the past 20+ years.
So I just checked e.g. GraphicConverter where I have quite a crowded toolbar as well, but the overflow section doesn't pop up either when I reduce the window size and attempt to edit the toolbar.

In other words, it looks like a MacOS UI flaw to me.

[MikeTO]

Yes, it's a limitation of the macOS toolbar customization feature, you can't customize overflowing icons. Affinity just happens to have a lot more icons than some programs but you can see this in any standard app such as Pages.

Remove tools further to the left (the status bar is a wide one so remove it) until you can see the right tools. Customize as you like and then add back the tools you had to remove so you could access the right tools.

[loukash]

24 minutes ago, Affinity_Pro said:

Screen Recording 2024-01-20 at 23.14.14.mov

^ Looking at your screencast, I can only recommend to remove all "Space" elements and use the Icon Only mode to save more space on your 13" display.
Even on my 15" display the Affinity toolbars get pretty crowded, so that I have deliberately removed quite a few default buttons I'd never use, or those which match functions that I can also easily access via keyboard shortcuts. 

[Affinity_Pro]

Thanks gents, you are indeed both correct. I didn't realise it was a MacOS wide issue. That's a shame, but appreciate the workaround above.

I'm not a developer and not sure what restrictions the OS causes, but if there was an Affinity workaround, e.g. persistent overflow dropdown during customisation, or even creating an extra row in the toolbar, that would be great in future.

Note to Serif staff: might be useful to put a note in the manual with the workaround above for when there is an overflow.

Thank you