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I'm still a little unhappy with the clone brush. Aligning the brush with the outline of the source is not possible because the source brush is just a cross. But the detection range is much larger.

Isn't it possible to make the source brush look the same as the clone brush? So two identical brushes?

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I'm not sure I understand your problem, but you can choose whatever brush you want to use. 

-- Walt
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15 minutes ago, StefanK said:

Aligning the brush with the outline of the source is not possible because the source brush is just a cross. But the detection range is much larger.

Try changing the size of the brush you are 'painting' with. A tiny brush will use a tiny "detection range" and a very large brush will use a very large "detection range".

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I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.

Posted
1 hour ago, StefanK said:

I'm still a little unhappy with the clone brush. Aligning the brush with the outline of the source is not possible because the source brush is just a cross. But the detection range is much larger.

Isn't it possible to make the source brush look the same as the clone brush? So two identical brushes?

The cross simply marks the center of the brush. It does not give a preview of the brush / brush size when choosing the source position.

If you dig a bit deeper in the functionality of Photo you may discover other tools like patch tool which are more capable, non-destructive workflows using additional pixel layers, and source modes. 
If you want more control over the source area, other workflows are better suited.

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My problem relates to the fact that I don't have any real control over the coverage limit of the source brush. I found this very pleasant in another program. When cloning, I was then able to move the detection source boundary very precisely along the contour of my desire. Because the coverage limit was specified exactly by the source brush. At the moment I only see the center of the invisible coverage limit - without external borders.

Ok, this isn't a drama. But it might just be more pleasant to use. But if you can easily change that, why not?

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Posted
7 minutes ago, StefanK said:

But it might just be more pleasant to use. But if you can easily change that, why not?

Agree

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Posted
13 minutes ago, StefanK said:

My problem relates to the fact that I don't have any real control over the coverage limit of the source brush.

The source is the same size as the brush you're using to clone with, isn't it?

You can adjust the brush's hardness and diameter, and you see exactly what is being selected in the brush preview.

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23 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

The source is the same size as the brush you're using to clone with

Yes, of course that is the case. Only you can't see the size of the source brush. Because only the center cross is visible. The actual - but invisible - size is significantly larger than the cross.
I don't feel like using the undo brush all the time. Because there was always something more copied than I wanted. 😇

23 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

you see exactly what is being selected in the brush preview.

Yes, that's the problem. It can only be seen in the preview. And during cloning I cannot observe (invisible) source limit and result at the same time.

My intention would then look like this. So quite simple
klone.jpg.922e40d4151fd25fbfe68fbdfbac9882.jpg

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Posted

Thanks for clarifying.

I'm still a bit confused, though, because you should be able to see what's being copied in the Clone Brush (target) preview.

-- Walt
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Posted
30 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

you should be able to see what's being copied in the Clone Brush (target) preview.

Yes. I see it. But only in the preview. It is not visible during cloning. But that is secondary.

I would like to lead the source accurate. Then I'm also sure that exactly what I see at the source will appear at the clone. 

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23 minutes ago, StefanK said:

I would like to lead the source accurate. Then I'm also sure that exactly what I see at the source will appear at the clone. 

I guess that this is a valid request. It is not something I would use or even notice. It is just how I work. I use a wacom tablet and adjust the size of my brush just before I start painting, often I adjust the size before each brush stroke. You wish to adjust the size of the brush before you choose the source. 

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I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that.

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12 hours ago, Old Bruce said:

ou wish to adjust the size of the brush before you choose the source. 

No, that's not the point. I simply want 100%+ WYSIWYG. That's all.

klone.jpg.5c30a29f0c1eab367bff07dfb90311db.jpg

 

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BTW. And this is what it looks like at the moment. The larger the source brush, the less clear its boundaries are. How can you move the source brush along the contours of a source if you cannot see the contours of the source brush?

klone-1.jpg.103701297da5713589ce78c358c839e8.jpg

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