Seikilos Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 In designer 1 I distinctly remember that colours had a noise slider. When I check the colour tab, there is only opacity: Is there a way to get noise back? It was actually quite nice to use. Also: Why does gradient still have the noise slider? It makes a very strange use case IMHO. I did a search but could not get a hold on whether it has been moved or deprecated or something in between. Quote Affinity User on Windows 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markw Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 Click on the small dot under where it says Opacity in you first screenshot. Seikilos 1 Quote macOS 10.15.7 | 15" Macbook Pro, 2017 | 4 Core i7 3.1GHz CPU | Radeon Pro 555 2GB GPU + Integrated Intel HD Graphics 630 1.536GB | 16GB RAM | Wacom Intuos4 M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Seikilos said: In designer 1 I distinctly remember that colours had a noise slider. When I check the colour tab, there is only opacity: Click to opacity point. P.S. https://affinity.help/designer/English.lproj/pages/Panels/clrPanel.html Edited November 27, 2023 by Pšenda Seikilos 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.3.1.2217 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.2506. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.2506. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seikilos Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 1 minute ago, markw said: Click on the small dot under where it says Opacity in you first screenshot. Maaan, thank you! Also: Affinity Team: What the heck of a usability thing is this?! But at least this is documented now and the next time I gonna forget where it was, I hope google remembers ... Quote Affinity User on Windows 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seikilos Posted November 27, 2023 Author Share Posted November 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, Pšenda said: Click to opacity point. P.S. https://affinity.help/designer/English.lproj/pages/Panels/clrPanel.html Thanks for more details! But one has to admit, that in the first screenshot of mine, there are actually two circles, the selected value circle and the "fancy" noise/opacity switcher, that makes it less intuitive. Edit: Also searching for noise keeps bringing me results for affinity photo in the affinity help site Quote Affinity User on Windows 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Seikilos said: the "fancy" noise/opacity switcher, that makes it less intuitive. At least it is described in the help and in the tooltip, which is not usual 🙂 51 minutes ago, Seikilos said: Also: Why does gradient still have the noise slider? Because Opacity is set directly in the dialog, so there is no need to switch it with noise. The reason for the Opacity/Noise toggle is obviously to compress the panel to save space. However, it could be solved in a more user-readable way, for example by using a tab with a description of both items (Opacity + Noise). In this way, if the user does not know it, he has no idea why he should click on a dot under Opacity. Or if there were at least two points/circle (something like foreground and background color) - one partially transparent, and the other noisy. For example: P.S. I don't know if it's a bug that the Opacity slider doesn't show the selected color like the Noise slider does. Edited November 27, 2023 by Pšenda bures and Seikilos 2 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.3.1.2217 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.2506. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.2506. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 51 minutes ago, Seikilos said: Also: Affinity Team: What the heck of a usability thing is this?! By the way, in the Color panel (which you first asked about), V1 and V2 work exactly the same way. The slider is dual-purpose and switchable, either Opacity or Noise. 53 minutes ago, Seikilos said: But at least this is documented now It always has been. Here's a link to the V1 Help, where it's also described: https://affinity.help/designer/en-US.lproj/pages/Panels/clrPanel.html Pšenda 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 6 hours ago, Pšenda said: At least it is described in the help and in the tooltip, which is not usual 🙂 On Macs, the tooltip just says "Switch," so it it not obvious what it switches between, or even that it is a button instead of some weird name choice for the opacity slider. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V23.0 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, R C-R said: the tooltip just says "Switch," so it it not obvious what it switches between This is one of the few places in Windows where the tooltip is used exactly as it should be used - i.e. "concisely" and including "context", when its text changes according to the situation. Too bad it's not used everywhere. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.3.1.2217 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.2506. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.2506. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, Pšenda said: This is one of the few places in Windows where the tooltip is used exactly as it should be used - i.e. "concisely" and including "context", when its text changes according to the situation. Not on Macs. 😖 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V23.0 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bit Arts Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 8 hours ago, Seikilos said: Also: Affinity Team: What the heck of a usability thing is this?! It is bad usability: RTFM with no visible hints or nudging in the user interface whatsoever and with no relation between noise and transparency whatsoever impossible to predict. Switch as a tooltip is certainly also not great. I wonder how many customers that never discover noise. Quote Serif user since 2007 on macOS and iPadOS, I focus on complex professional illustrations, seeking efficient workflows, high-quality results, and contemporary usability and user interfaces. Doing things fun is good, but doing things great is more fun. "Furthermore, I consider that true graphic styles must be implemented." - Bit Arts the Elder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bit Arts said: I wonder how many customers that never discover noise. Anyone unable to use Help and Search 🙂 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.3.1.2217 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.2506. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.2506. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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