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Seikilos

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In designer 1 I distinctly remember that colours had a noise slider. When I check the colour tab, there is only opacity:

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Is there a way to get noise back? It was actually quite nice to use.

Also: Why does gradient still have the noise slider? It makes a very strange use case IMHO.

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I did a search but could not get a hold on whether it has been moved or deprecated or something in between.

 

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Click on the small dot under where it says Opacity in you first screenshot.

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Pšenda

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4 minutes ago, Seikilos said:

In designer 1 I distinctly remember that colours had a noise slider. When I check the colour tab, there is only opacity:

Click to opacity point.

P.S. 

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https://affinity.help/designer/English.lproj/pages/Panels/clrPanel.html

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Seikilos

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1 minute ago, markw said:

Click on the small dot under where it says Opacity in you first screenshot.

Maaan, thank you!

Also: Affinity Team: What the heck of a usability thing is this?!

 

But at least this is documented now and the next time I gonna forget where it was, I hope google remembers ...

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Seikilos

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8 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

Click to opacity point.

P.S. 

image.png.826cee828cd31914da3b7c790a3e3aad.png

https://affinity.help/designer/English.lproj/pages/Panels/clrPanel.html

Thanks for more details!

But one has to admit, that in the first screenshot of mine, there are actually two circles, the selected value circle and the "fancy" noise/opacity switcher, that makes it less intuitive.

Edit: Also searching for noise keeps bringing me results for affinity photo in the affinity help site

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Pšenda

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40 minutes ago, Seikilos said:

the "fancy" noise/opacity switcher, that makes it less intuitive.

At least it is described in the help and in the tooltip, which is not usual 🙂

 

51 minutes ago, Seikilos said:

Also: Why does gradient still have the noise slider?

Because Opacity is set directly in the dialog, so there is no need to switch it with noise.

The reason for the Opacity/Noise toggle is obviously to compress the panel to save space.
However, it could be solved in a more user-readable way, for example by using a tab with a description of both items (Opacity + Noise). In this way, if the user does not know it, he has no idea why he should click on a dot under Opacity.
Or if there were at least two points/circle (something like foreground and background color) - one partially transparent, and the other noisy.
For example:
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P.S. I don't know if it's a bug that the Opacity slider doesn't show the selected color like the Noise slider does.

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51 minutes ago, Seikilos said:

Also: Affinity Team: What the heck of a usability thing is this?!

By the way, in the Color panel (which you first asked about), V1 and V2 work exactly the same way. The slider is dual-purpose and switchable, either Opacity or Noise.

53 minutes ago, Seikilos said:

But at least this is documented now

It always has been. Here's a link to the V1 Help, where it's also described: https://affinity.help/designer/en-US.lproj/pages/Panels/clrPanel.html

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6 hours ago, Pšenda said:

At least it is described in the help and in the tooltip, which is not usual 🙂

On Macs, the tooltip just says "Switch," so it it not obvious what it switches between, or even that it is a button instead of some weird name choice for the opacity slider. 

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1 hour ago, R C-R said:

the tooltip just says "Switch," so it it not obvious what it switches between

This is one of the few places in Windows where the tooltip is used exactly as it should be used - i.e. "concisely" and including "context", when its text changes according to the situation.
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Too bad it's not used everywhere.

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11 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

This is one of the few places in Windows where the tooltip is used exactly as it should be used - i.e. "concisely" and including "context", when its text changes according to the situation.

Not on Macs. 😖

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8 hours ago, Seikilos said:

Also: Affinity Team: What the heck of a usability thing is this?!

It is bad usability: RTFM with no visible hints or nudging in the user interface whatsoever and with no relation between noise and transparency whatsoever impossible to predict.

Switch as a tooltip is certainly also not great. I wonder how many customers that never discover noise. 

I simply no longer believe that there are any professional graphic designers here. Everything follows suit. Just everything.

 

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8 minutes ago, Bit Arts said:

I wonder how many customers that never discover noise.

Anyone unable to use Help and Search 🙂

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