Packed-Footnotes are located on the wrong page

[Eisbar]

See attached screen-shoot will eplain the problem....

[MikeTO]

I have duplicated the bug. Note 4 should be in the first column in this test document. This is with a blank document and default formatting.

The problem occurs when you have lots of notes, which is exactly what you'd have with packed notes. If I delete note 5 then the paragraph can end in the first column and note 4 moves to that column. Extending that paragraph so it continues to the second column won't trigger the issue because it's the forced wrapping required for note 5 that is messing up note 4.

I can't think of a workaround for this problem.

packed.afpub

[Eisbar]

Thanks MikeTO!

So - looks like a Bug.

Anybody from the AffinityTeam knows about this problem? Will it be fixed in the next update?

[walt.farrell]

48 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

Note 4 should be in the first column in this test document.

Additionally: In your test document, I find that I can double-click on each of the footnotes to select the text of that note, or single-click in it to set the text cursor. Except for footnote 5. If I try to select the text of footnote 5 the cursor is put into footnote 4.

[walt.farrell]

10 minutes ago, Eisbar said:

Anybody from the AffinityTeam knows about this problem? Will it be fixed in the next update?

I don't think it's a previously-known issue (though it might be). No one from Serif has visited this topic yet; when they do they will be able to confirm if it's already known and log it if not.

It is unlikely to be fixed in the next update, which is 2.2.1 and which is planned for release next week, and which is only fixing major issues. This one probably would not make that cut, and even if it did it's probably being reported too late for 2.2.1.

[Eisbar]

yes - known problem for me. But you can select the note by clicking the footnote-layer "Fifth" (at least a work around)

[Eisbar]

hopefully they fix it soon! 🙂

[MikeTO]

1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

Additionally: In your test document, I find that I can double-click on each of the footnotes to select the text of that note, or single-click in it to set the text cursor. Except for footnote 5. If I try to select the text of footnote 5 the cursor is put into footnote 4.

I forgot to mention that. It's because of the layer stacking order. Note 4 is the full width of the frame and is stacked on top of note 5.

[walt.farrell]

18 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

I forgot to mention that. It's because of the layer stacking order. Note 4 is the full width of the frame and is stacked on top of note 5.

So there's a layer stacking order bug, too. Interesting.

[Hangman]

The issue appears to be related to the way the Initial Advance is calculated and could possibly be due to a rounding error, I'm not entirely sure... In an attempt to demonstrate I've overridden the Initial advance by setting a Fixed Min Advance to mirror the leading, though I'm still trying to figure out the logic.

[Eisbar]

Interessting idea 🙂

and it works! But just for the first page - all other notes on the following pages have the same problem. 

it would have been too good....

[Hangman]

Hi @Eisbar,

I've only experimented with this very briefly it has to be said...

Do you have a sample file of even a subset containing two or three pages that include large numbers of packed footnotes so we can take a closer look...

One thing I did note when using a Fixed Initial Advance value is that you have to change all the footnotes on the first row to match the setting otherwise they're each using a different value so it may be worth experimenting with that as well. This is obviously not very practical of course but just thinking it may give you a possible workaround until the bug is fixed.

Having said that, as mentioned above I've only played very briefly so I can't confirm that this will work...

[Eisbar]

here we are!

Notes.zip

[Hangman]

Hi @Eisbar,

Thanks for the file...

I appreciate that you will have footnotes throughout the entire document but for pages 5 to 8 changing the Min Gap Before from 17 pt to 16 pt will rectify the current issue though I appreciate that may not be the case moving forward.

This is why I think it is a possible miscalculation with the Initital Advance setting but I'd need to do some futher testing to be able to come back with something more definitive.

[Eisbar]

👍

[Eisbar]

switching to Fixed Min Advance provoke a crash of Publisher 😞

[Hangman]

3 minutes ago, Eisbar said:

switching to Fixed Min Advance provoke a crash of Publisher 😞

Interesting, was that just in general or when applying to a specific page? I didn't get a crash when experimenting with this using your document.

[Eisbar]

when I select a note and than change to Fixed Min Advance - everytime a crash

 

[Hangman]

Very odd, thus far I've failed to get a crash but I'll experiment further tomorrow...

Which version of macOS are you using?

[Old Bruce]

Just for a lark I turned off Baseline Grid in the Paragraph style for the body text. Then I turn on Use Baseline Grid in the Baseline Grid dialog box and ... interesting things happened regarding the flow of the packed notes.

[Eisbar]

I use OSX 13.2

switching to "Custom" in the note panel will not cause a crash. But "Document-wide" will!

[Old Bruce]

1 hour ago, Eisbar said:

here we are!

I doubt that this is relevant... but your package included a font of type .dfont which I thought Apple had abandoned.

[Eisbar]

12 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

Just for a lark I turned off Baseline Grid in the Paragraph style for the body text. Then I turn on Use Baseline Grid in the Baseline Grid dialog box and ... interesting things happened regarding the flow of the packed notes.

interesting.... it works... sometimes, sometimes publisher is crashing....

[Eisbar]

6 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

but your package included a font of type .dfont which I thought Apple had abandoned.

I am not sure what that means... 

[Hangman]

22 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

Just for a lark I turned off Baseline Grid in the Paragraph style for the body text. Then I turn on Use Baseline Grid in the Baseline Grid dialog box and ... interesting things happened regarding the flow of the packed notes.

What in particular happened for you?

For me, following those steps and setting 13 pt leading as per the body copy style simply made Footnotes 41 - 62 vanish, something which I think @MikeTO has reported on previously...