DonC123 Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 Years ago, I used to do a lot of pencil sketching. I am wondering if anyone has had success sketching in a similar manner to the one attached, which, I did years ago with a pencil. The attached is a scan of it. I am on a desktop, using only a mouse. I have tried looking for tutorials but I don't see anything that looks like a similar result can achieved. Any thoughts? MikeW 1 Quote Don My YouTube Channel My Blog - One Man's Meanderings
MikeW Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 Nice drawing! I can't help you with your question, just wanted to say I like it. Quote
walt.farrell Posted October 12, 2023 Posted October 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, DonC123 said: I am on a desktop, using only a mouse. I would use a tablet and stylus/pen for that kind of drawing, not a mouse. Technically it can probably be done with a mouse, but I would think it's much harder that way. R C-R and Andy05 2 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.5, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.5
DonC123 Posted October 12, 2023 Author Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, MikeW said: Nice drawing! I can't help you with your question, just wanted to say I like it. Thanks Mike, I appreciate your comment. Quote Don My YouTube Channel My Blog - One Man's Meanderings
DonC123 Posted October 12, 2023 Author Posted October 12, 2023 59 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: I would use a tablet and stylus/pen for that kind of drawing, not a mouse. Technically it can probably be done with a mouse, but I would think it's much harder that way. Thanks Walt, A number of years ago I had purchased a bamboo pen pad, but I didn't like the feeling of drawing on the pad while watching the monitor. Maybe if I stuck with that, I would have adapted to it. Later I purchased a MS Surface and although I liked drawing right on the screen, the device left a lot to be desired in other areas. If money were not a consideration, I would purchase one of the big wacom tablets made for drawing, but the old retirement dollars don't stretch so far these days. I was just hoping to get back into drawing with the digital products I have, away from pencil and paper. walt.farrell 1 Quote Don My YouTube Channel My Blog - One Man's Meanderings
thomaso Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, DonC123 said: I have tried looking for tutorials but I don't see anything that looks like a similar result can achieved. Any thoughts? While this question seems to ask for the visual pencil look (which can get achieved with according brush(es), more flexible than analogue) your response to Walt rather seems to express a disappointment with digital hardware and its emotional creation feel. To achieve results you experienced on paper with soft graphite pencils (> 2B) would require a digital pressure sensitive device and thus using a mouse (instead of a digital pen) maybe insufficient just by its limited stroke quality. Pencil brush: The number of available brushes is huge. Maybe there is a good start for pencil impressions: https://frankentoonstudio.com/product/placard-brush-pack-affinity/ https://frankentoonstudio.com/product/crayon-box-affinity/ For a better feel: Apart from the fact that a digital pen takes some getting used to, if you especially miss the pencil-on-paper with its frictional resistance, you might use a foil on the smooth glass of the screen, like this for instance: https://paperlike.com/ "Nanodots are the teensy, tiny micro-beads responsible for giving Paperlike its unique, papery feel. They provide haptic feedback in the form of ever-so-slight vibrations that emulate the natural drag and resistance of sketchbook paper." walt.farrell 1 Quote • MacBookPro Retina 15" | macOS 10.14.6 | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 • iPad 10.Gen. | iOS 18.5. | Affinity V2.6
dominik Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 7 hours ago, DonC123 said: I am on a desktop, using only a mouse. I have tried looking for tutorials but I don't see anything that looks like a similar result can achieved. Any thoughts? Hi @DonC123, if you get the chance try out an iPad with an Apple Pencil. Even used (re: older) iPads do perform quite well. Perhaps you can borrow a device for an afternoon? The only drawback might be the feel of it because the screen is made of glass. But @thomaso already has a suggestion for that 🙂 d. Quote Affinity Suite on Windows (V2) and iPad (V2). Beta testing when available. Windows 11 64-bit - Core i7 - 16GB - Intel HD Graphics 4600 & NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M iPad pro 9.7" + Apple Pencil
DonC123 Posted October 13, 2023 Author Posted October 13, 2023 13 hours ago, thomaso said: While this question seems to ask for the visual pencil look (which can get achieved with according brush(es), more flexible than analogue) your response to Walt rather seems to express a disappointment with digital hardware and its emotional creation feel. To achieve results you experienced on paper with soft graphite pencils (> 2B) would require a digital pressure sensitive device and thus using a mouse (instead of a digital pen) maybe insufficient just by its limited stroke quality. Pencil brush: The number of available brushes is huge. Maybe there is a good start for pencil impressions: https://frankentoonstudio.com/product/placard-brush-pack-affinity/ https://frankentoonstudio.com/product/crayon-box-affinity/ For a better feel: Apart from the fact that a digital pen takes some getting used to, if you especially miss the pencil-on-paper with its frictional resistance, you might use a foil on the smooth glass of the screen, like this for instance: https://paperlike.com/ "Nanodots are the teensy, tiny micro-beads responsible for giving Paperlike its unique, papery feel. They provide haptic feedback in the form of ever-so-slight vibrations that emulate the natural drag and resistance of sketchbook paper." Thanks for taking time to respond. I appreciate your insights and links. The idea about the foil is very interesting, as what you surmised was spot on. Quote Don My YouTube Channel My Blog - One Man's Meanderings
DonC123 Posted October 13, 2023 Author Posted October 13, 2023 10 hours ago, dominik said: Hi @DonC123, if you get the chance try out an iPad with an Apple Pencil. Even used (re: older) iPads do perform quite well. Perhaps you can borrow a device for an afternoon? The only drawback might be the feel of it because the screen is made of glass. But @thomaso already has a suggestion for that 🙂 d. Thanks for the idea Dominik, My granddaughter has an ipad, that I am sure I could borrow for an afternoon, to see if I like it. dominik 1 Quote Don My YouTube Channel My Blog - One Man's Meanderings
thomaso Posted October 13, 2023 Posted October 13, 2023 1 minute ago, DonC123 said: The idea about the foil is very interesting, as what you surmised was spot on. Note, if you work with your bamboo (or any non-screen tablet) it may also work to place a real (smooth) paper on the plastic surface (instead of a special foil). In my experience this aspect lost importance when I got used to the handling of the pen. The more unusual parts are the different viewing direction (on the screen as you mentioned, not on the tablet) and the 'right' pressure setting & use. Concerning the viewing direction I assume in particular when drawing architecture or nature the focus is more at the motive than you are conscious. (but I must admit: though I did travelling sketches for years I did not continue with the same energy in the digital workflow – whereas a friend, an architect, does impressive sketches an his six inch smart phone without issues with the multiple required zooming-in/-out while drawing. So I am convinced it is "just" a matter of exercise.) Old Bruce 1 Quote • MacBookPro Retina 15" | macOS 10.14.6 | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 • iPad 10.Gen. | iOS 18.5. | Affinity V2.6
DonC123 Posted October 13, 2023 Author Posted October 13, 2023 52 minutes ago, thomaso said: Note, if you work with your bamboo (or any non-screen tablet) it may also work to place a real (smooth) paper on the plastic surface (instead of a special foil). In my experience this aspect lost importance when I got used to the handling of the pen. The more unusual parts are the different viewing direction (on the screen as you mentioned, not on the tablet) and the 'right' pressure setting & use. Concerning the viewing direction I assume in particular when drawing architecture or nature the focus is more at the motive than you are conscious. (but I must admit: though I did travelling sketches for years I did not continue with the same energy in the digital workflow – whereas a friend, an architect, does impressive sketches an his six inch smart phone without issues with the multiple required zooming-in/-out while drawing. So I am convinced it is "just" a matter of exercise.) Thanks again Thomas! I have decided to keep working at developing my digital drawing skills because it will be something somewhat new for me. Although I have done many art forms over the years, including 3D modeling and rendering for the last 20+ years, I just feel like going in a new direction, while remaining at the computer. I checked out your artwork link. You have a lot of great work there. I especially liked the IMGP0745-1600 image, and IMGP0728_1200, with the color washes added. I might try that myself, after I relearn how to draw. Don Quote Don My YouTube Channel My Blog - One Man's Meanderings
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