Trying to Modify a Shoulder using Liquify Punch Tool ? Not Working ?

[augustya]

Hi Guys,

I need some help. I’m trying to use the liquify punch tool to modify the shoulder of a person in the image but when I try to use it nothing happens, it doesn’t work ?

The steps that I am performing as I go to the liquify Parsona adjust my brush size, click on the Punch Tool then Hold the Alt key and then try to Drag on the target area nothing happens. I tried clicking also on the area still nothing happens. I did this with holding the Alt Key and without holding the all key also, still no luck what am I missing ? how do I get this working ?

[markw]

Probably need to see a screen shot of your settings in the Liquify persona.
But if your brush has low Opacity and/or Speed settings it can look initially like nothing has happened. Having the Mesh visible can help in seeing if anything has actually deformed.

[augustya]

I have tried with different settings and opacity still nothing happens.

[thomaso]

1 hour ago, augustya said:

I have tried with different settings and opacity still nothing happens.

Does the mesh show a change at least if you paint? Did you select a layer with content?

Possibly we need to see a screen record of you switching to and working in the Liquify persona.

Some thing seems to prevent you from seeing either the result or the reason for not causing a visible change – in any case it will be a matter of a setting.

[jmwellborn]

@augustya  I may be really stupid, but are you sure your image layer is a pixel layer?

[augustya]

Just now, jmwellborn said:

@augustya  I may be really stupid, but are you sure your image layer is a pixel layer?

Yes it is. Good Point..Yes it is a Pixel Layer. Just saw some videos also mentioning that.  Sure it is a Pixel Layer.

[thomaso]

On 8/23/2023 at 4:12 PM, jmwellborn said:

are you sure your image layer is a pixel layer?

Are we able at all to switch to the Liquify persona without having a pixel layer selected? – Then I get this dialog instead of the Liquify interface:

On 8/23/2023 at 4:14 PM, augustya said:

Yes it is a Pixel Layer.

• Does it contain pixels you want to change with Liquify?
• Is the selected pixel layer covered by another layer?
• Do you see a change at least in the mesh?

Below an example with an empty pixel layer above an image layer, it shows the edited mesh but with no affect to the displayed image (because this image is not the selected layer for Liquify but just visible underneath)

[augustya]

Disappointed to know there is no help coming forward for such a simple question. Still waiting for a helpful answer on this.

[Dan C]

6 minutes ago, augustya said:

Still waiting for a helpful answer on this.

2 separate users have requested screenshots or a screen recording of your Affinity app, which are yet to be provided -

On 8/23/2023 at 11:58 AM, markw said:

Probably need to see a screen shot of your settings in the Liquify persona.

On 8/23/2023 at 1:59 PM, thomaso said:

Possibly we need to see a screen record of you switching to and working in the Liquify persona

Equally, the suggestions and questions above are very sensible and helpful IMO, and would be extremely similar to questions asked by Affinity staff, for example:

On 8/23/2023 at 11:58 AM, markw said:

But if your brush has low Opacity and/or Speed settings it can look initially like nothing has happened. Having the Mesh visible can help in seeing if anything has actually deformed.

On 8/23/2023 at 3:12 PM, jmwellborn said:

are you sure your image layer is a pixel layer?

On 8/23/2023 at 4:20 PM, thomaso said:

• Is the selected pixel layer covered by another layer?
• Do you see a change at least in the mesh?

All of these are questions that the Affinity team would ask, and I can only see a definitive answer for one (that your layer is a Pixel layer).

Unfortunately we can't assist further if we aren't sure of the steps you're taking, the tool settings you have or the results you're seeing - so my apologies but I'm not certain what further help you are awaiting at this time, without helping others to assist you.

[Aammppaa]

@augustya That is rather a dismissive attitude towards those who have already tried to assist you with perfectly sensible suggestions.

Is there any reason why you have ignored the requests to post a full screen capture of exactly what you are doing? 

It is practically impossible to help beyond the advice given so far without being able to see the issue and context. 

[augustya]

4 minutes ago, Dan C said:

2 separate users have requested screenshots or a screen recording of your Affinity app, which are yet to be provided -

Equally, the suggestions and questions above are very sensible and helpful IMO, and would be extremely similar to questions asked by Affinity staff, for example:

All of these are questions that the Affinity team would ask, and I can only see a definitive answer for one (that your layer is a Pixel layer).

Unfortunately we can't assist further if we aren't sure of the steps you're taking, the tool settings you have or the results you're seeing - so my apologies but I'm not certain what further help you are awaiting at this time, without helping others to assist you.

@Dan C I have posted and answered all the questions asked in response to my Original Post except for the screen recording. Very occasionally I have been stuck to the Point where I had to attach a screen recording without which I did not get any help. But nevertheless I will Post one.

[augustya]

5 minutes ago, Aammppaa said:

@augustya That is rather a dismissive attitude towards those who have already tried to assist you with perfectly sensible suggestions.

Is there any reason why you have ignored the requests to post a full screen capture of exactly what you are doing? 

It is practically impossible to help beyond the advice given so far without being able to see the issue and context. 

Chill Mate ! No need to be on such a High Horse. Will Post a Screen Recording.

[v_kyr]

4 minutes ago, augustya said:

Will Post a Screen Recording.

Either a screen recording (mp4 video), or a sequence of Screenshots (captured screen images, including the layers panel and viewable what is selected there) would be helpful for people here, in order to see & understand what you have tried so far and in order to recognize why it is not working as expected.

[thomaso]

53 minutes ago, augustya said:

 I have posted and answered all the questions asked in response to my Original Post except for the screen recording.

To "all the questions" ? … Below are three that were not answered yet.

On 8/23/2023 at 5:20 PM, thomaso said:

On 8/23/2023 at 4:14 PM, augustya said:

Yes it is a Pixel Layer.

• Does it contain pixels you want to change with Liquify?
• Is the selected pixel layer covered by another layer?
• Do you see a change at least in the mesh?

None of them requires a screenshot, even a screenshot of the Liquify Persona wouldn't clarify the question about the content of the pixel layer that was selected when activating the Liquify Persona.

[augustya]

Ok so this is a screen recording from one of my earlier projects where even there I was trying to use the Liquify Punch Tool and also the Pinch Tool and none of it worked. So what am I doing wrong here ?

 

 

[thomaso]

3 minutes ago, augustya said:

So what am I doing wrong here ?

As questioned a few times before + demonstrated in a screenshot: The selected pixel layer appears to be empty.

Furthermore your "Brush" panel is hidden in the video (by "Navigator"), it seems to have an insufficient setting (… regardless of a missing content in the selected layer).

[Dan C]

Thanks for providing that!

Firstly, I can see you are 'tap' clicking with the mouse to apply changes, the Liquify Persona works in using a 'ramp' speed - meaning the longer that you hold down the mouse, the more change is made to the area.

If you click and hold the mouse, rather than tapping repeatedly, do you see the expected changes?

Secondly, unfortunately you don't show your Brush settings within the recording - which are in the right hand Studio. Please can you provide a screenshot of your settings for the brush? You may need to increase the opacity or speed in order to see the changes you want to the image:

 

[Dan C]

3 minutes ago, thomaso said:

The selected pixel layer appears to be empty.

I believe this to be a rendering issue within the Layers Studio for Affinity V1 (that OP is using) - after duplicating the layer, which isn't directly shown in their recording, but I believe is the action taken after unlocking the layer, based on the cursors position,  the layer thumbnail takes a short while to update with the duplicated content and therefore appears empty - but I can confirm this isn't the case and the pixel content exists

[thomaso]

5 minutes ago, Dan C said:

I believe this to be a rendering issue within the Layers Studio for Affinity V1 (that OP is using) - after duplicating the layer, which isn't directly shown in their recording,

Good point. Is this a general behavior in Windows that the menu "Edit" doesn't visually reflect if a menu entry like "Paste" or "Duplicate" gets selected via keyboard shortcut? (In macOS "Edit" gets highlighted then).

[Dan C]

2 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Is this a general behavior in Windows that the menu "Edit" doesn't visually reflect if a menu entry like "Paste" or "Duplicate" gets selected via keyboard shortcut? (In macOS "Edit" gets highlighted then).

I believe there are 2 things at play here - firstly Windows does not visually highlight a menu item if it is activated via keyboard shortcut, it simply selects that option silently and closes the menu, which I understand to be expected behaviour.

However in OP's screen recording, I believe they are only using their cursor - simply the right-click context menu is not shown in the recording at all.
I think this is due to the recording software being used. As I understand it, their recording software is capturing the Affinity 'window' only, and does not determine the right-click context menu to be a part of this inherent 'window', therefore it is not included. Simply from context clues (and watching enough screen recordings of the app!) I determined they were selecting the Duplicate option in said context menu

[augustya]

34 minutes ago, Dan C said:

Thanks for providing that!

Firstly, I can see you are 'tap' clicking with the mouse to apply changes, the Liquify Persona works in using a 'ramp' speed - meaning the longer that you hold down the mouse, the more change is made to the area.

If you click and hold the mouse, rather than tapping repeatedly, do you see the expected changes?

Secondly, unfortunately you don't show your Brush settings within the recording - which are in the right hand Studio. Please can you provide a screenshot of your settings for the brush? You may need to increase the opacity or speed in order to see the changes you want to the image:

Yes @Dan C I think your suggestion worked, it seems to be doing something now.

[augustya]

@Dan C I also wanted to ask you is this how it also works on the Affinity APP on the iPad ? I am talking about the Punch Tool in the Liquify Persona ? So do I just Tap on the area I want the tool to work ? and just keep holding/Tapping ? till how long before I see any changes affecting the image ?

Also can you also tell me how to remove the Mesh from Liquify Persona on the iPad as the option you have on the Desktop Version ? like a small check box in the upper left corner in the Liquify Persona to remove Mesh.

[thomaso]

The iPad help says literally:

To warp using the Liquify tools:

1. Select a Liquify tool.
2. Adjust brush settings on the vertical sliders.
3. Drag, tap or drag on the image to apply the warp effect—this depends on the Liquify tool chosen. The effect of the tool is cumulative. If the result is not strong enough, repeat the process.

https://affinity.help/photo2ipad/English.lproj/contents.xml?page=pages/LiquifyPersona/liquify.html?title=Warping using Liquify Persona

And it shows the available mesh options with short descriptions, for instance regarding visibility -> opacity:

https://affinity.help/photo2ipad/English.lproj/contents.xml?page=pages/LiquifyPersona/liquify_studio.html?title=Liquify panel (Liquify Persona only)

[firstdefence]

I don't think the liquify tool is the way to go on this you need to modify the jumps folds, shading and colouration, I think you will get a better result using the clone tool.

See example below.

[augustya]

2 minutes ago, firstdefence said:

I don't think the liquify tool is the way to go on this you need to modify the jumps folds, shading and colouration, I think you will get a better result using the clone tool.

See example below.

So just clone the Flat Part and Brush it away at the desired target area ? That way ?