anto Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Please review the logic of the layers. You are misleading. The help page says that each layer is a separate drawer where you can put something."You can think of each layer as being like an individual drawer in a clothes chest of drawers. Within that drawer you place shirts or blouses that are stacked on top of each other." You go on to say that clothing items are objects, which is correct."In layer management, these clothing items are our individual vector objects, sometimes overlapped, sometimes not." Next, you give an obviously incorrect classification of layers, and confuse users, i.e., the next section is Layer Types, where you call a vector, shape, curve, table, etc. layers. And this is wrong, because above you called them objects, which is correct. According to the definition of a layer on the Help page, these "layers" are objects, not layers, because you can't put anything into a shape, table, or text frame like you can into a drawer. This section should be called Object Types. In this regard, the program should have automatically created a drawer-layer in which the user could put their objects, as Indesign does by default. Otherwise, the way it is implemented now, several menu items are misleading and meaningless. For example, "Select everything on current Layer" - when there is no layer, it selects everything it wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anto Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 Also these points here You can create child layers, which are nested under a parent layer. Child layers are perfect for use as an extra level of object organisation in more complex documents. Any layer can be hidden, to exclude its layer objects from displaying in your design. How to create child layer for layer rectangle? Which objects i can hide from layer rectangle? I believe that this is a confusion in the definitions and concepts of the layer and layer objects (elements). The same goes for Layer clipping First, you write about the layer, and then about the objects. This creates confusion, because it's not the layer you're clipping, but the objects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anto Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 See how clearly VectorStyler writes about layers and objects in the documentation Layers and Objects When a new document is created, a single regular canvas is added to the document for creating the artwork. Each canvas contains a hierarchy of layers and objects, that define the artwork placed on the canvas. Objects are the main components used to make up an illustration. An object can have a shape and several fill and outline styling attributes. An object may contain other objects, creating groups of objects. An object with a shape containing other objects is also known as a clipping group. Objects can be selected using various selection modes, including a simple click with the mouse. Layers are similar to objects with a few extra properties, and a special treatment in the user interface. The top level objects of a canvas are typically layers. A layer may contain several sub-layers or a collection of objects. Layers and objects may mix inside a layer. This enables the buildup of a hierarchy of layers and objects used to organize the structure of an illustration. An object cannot contain a layer. VectorStyler also creates top layer automatically by default. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 On 8/20/2023 at 10:29 AM, anto said: You are misleading. Personally, I have no problem with this logic and the explanation in the Help. A layer is simply the designation of one field/item in the Layers stack, which is used to control some of its basic parameters (visibility, transparency, blending, ...). Individual objects, adjustments, live filters, Group, Layer, or Artboard type containers are then represented by layers in the Layers stack, and therefore these layers/fields take on their type/description. I see unnecessary confusion rather in the naming of the Layer container (with a capital L), which is easily confused with the general naming of a layer as an item in the Layers stack. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.5.2636 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.4317. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fde101 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Yes, they are "overloading" the term "layer" to mean either of two different things: the "generic" term layer which they are using as the representation of an arbitrary object within the Layers panel, and the "specific" Layer as a layer of type Layer, which is a container for arbitrary (generic) layers. I do agree that the usage has a great deal of potential to invite confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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