Cannot clear master page from a page

[Catshill]

Master page set up for facing pages

Apply MP to left hand page only

Right hand page is clear so not showing any elements from MP as expected

Issue: Preflight shows overflowing text frame on right hand page. 

Select OTF message and ghost of right hand MP is shown. So even though the MP is not applied to the right hand page it is stillbeing applied to the page according to the preflight.

[GarryP]

It’s difficult to tell from such tiny screen grabs, and without knowing what’s on the master page, what’s happening.

I’ve just tried to re-create the problem but don’t get a Preflight error message – probably because my document is not your document.

Can you share the document so we can see how it’s been constructed?
If you can’t share the document, can you share some full-screen screenshots which include the Layers Panel with the ‘problem layer’ selected and the Pages Panel where we can see both the master page and the page?

[walt.farrell]

I'm not sure you can really apply only 1 page of a Facing-Page Master Page. The other half of the page is also applied, but in some kind of hidden form, and from reports here often causes problems.

[Catshill]

On 8/10/2023 at 1:30 PM, walt.farrell said:

I'm not sure you can really apply only 1 page of a Facing-Page Master Page. The other half of the page is also applied, but in some kind of hidden form, and from reports here often causes problems.

I've done this all the time in APub and it makes sense when you want elements like page numbers on one side only a two-page spread. If as you theorise, there is a restriction that facing page MPs can only be applied to both pages, then AP would not allow you to have different MPs on facing pages would it? As you can see from the screenshot, APub does allow you to have facing pages with different MPs - which is what I would expect.

[Catshill]

I've attached a four-page document to demonstrate the issue.

Page 2 has label master applied

Page 3 has blank master applied. As you can see it correctly inserts the blank MP elements (the black box) but also applies the ghost frame of the label master and the overflow error is produced. 

Overflow bug.afpub

[Hangman]

Hi @Catshill,

Technically you do have an overflowing text frame in as much as the two text frames on the Master Page contain overflow text but because the text is unexpanded the text flow indicator is not shown for the text frames and as such I don't think it is treated as overflow text... The overflow can be removed by expanding the text using the Text > Expand > Expand Field option.

However, the actual cause of the pre-flight error is your picture frame which is set to wrap to 'Both Sides'. Because the picture frame overlaps an invisible text frame it is effectively forcing the text to overflow.

Simply moving the picture frame below the text frame will remove the pre-flight error as will changing the text wrap to 'none'.

The big question though is, why is the text frame from the right-hand master page maintained when a blank Master Page is assigned to Page 3? It does this in all versions of Publisher but I'm slightly unsure why...

 

[carl123]

42 minutes ago, Hangman said:

The big question though is, why is there an invisible text frame on page three in the first place when you've assigned a blank master to the page which doesn't include any text frames?

The "invisible" text frame is coming from the master page called "Label". 

When you assigned a 2 page master to only the left page it is still applied to the right page BUT the layers for the right page are still there and visible when expanding the "Label" Master page layer but designed to be invisible on the screen (i.e. on Page 3)

Unfortunately, text wrapping still takes invisible/hidden objects into account, hence the preflight error message

More here...

 

[Hangman]

1 minute ago, carl123 said:

When you assigned a 2 page master to only the left page it is still applied to the right page BUT the layers for the right page are still there and visible when expanding the "Label" Master page layer but designed to be invisible on the screen (i.e. on Page 3)

Which I understand but I would have perhaps have assumed this would change when applying a Blank Master to the Right Hand Page, i.e., Page 3, i.e., for the elements from the Label Master to be removed from the Page 3 Master elements, as in for the Blank Master to overide the settings from the Label Master.

I see though, from your link, that this is by Design and isn't going to be changed for the resons cited which is not an issue but helpful to know, thanks for the link...

[carl123]

4 minutes ago, Hangman said:

i.e., for the elements from the Label Master to be removed from the Page 3 Master elements, as in for the Blank Master to overide the settings from the Label Master.

The Label master was never applied to Page 3 so it cannot be overridden (on Page 3)

Even if you select Clear Masters on page 3 only the Blank master will have its objects removed

The only way to remove the Label Master's objects from Page 3 is to use the Edit Detached function and to delete them that way

 

[Hangman]

6 minutes ago, carl123 said:

The Label master was never applied to Page 3 so it cannot be overridden (on Page 3)

I should have said Page 2!

[Catshill]

The external link above refers to a hidden object not objects on a Master page. I would argue that behaviour similarities between hidden object and master pages is irrelevant here.

Affinity Publisher allows you to apply double-page master pages to a single page and doing this should work as expected, not as above. We need clarification from a member of staff.