End Notes Numbering version 2.2.0

[dr john williams]

I created a list of end notes in a document, 1,2,3,4.  Each end note was in order from 1 to4 The end notes panel at the end of the document were in the correct order. (Image 1) However, when I moved one of the notes in the document, moving number 4 to be the first, the end notes at the end of the document do not reflect the changes. (Image 2)

I was expecting that having moved the reference to be the first in the list it would move that to the top of the End Notes panel.

I then duplicated the list in the document to see if this refreshed the End Notes. The references 5-8 at the end were created in the End Notes panel but did not reflect the reference order in the document and an extra blank line was also inserted in the End Notes panel. (Image 3)

Is there a way to refresh the End Notes panel so it displays correctly if references in the document change in the End Notes panel? .

Thanks

John

[Hangman]

Hi @dr john williams,

This seems to be working as expected for me... Am I doing anything differently to you here?

[dr john williams]

I am using v 2.2.0

The updating is incorrect and some references are not updating. See video.

What version are you using?

Thanks

John

[Hangman]

I'm likewise using v 2.2.0 (1931)...

I assume you're on Windows? I'm on Mac but perhaps someone else on Windows can also check to see if they seem the same thing as you're seeing...

[dr john williams]

Yes I am on Windows. I tried v 2.1.1 and that worked OK.  So it might be the version 2.2 on Windows. One error was that when I accidentally deleted 4 items with an end note reference and then pasted them back the end note reference was still there but nothing on the end notes page. See video

[MikeTO]

IMO, endnotes and notes in general work well in simple documents but in the real world they can get messed up. Here's a complicated thread on another user's endnotes issue which I investigated in this week. They had some endnotes numbered 0 and some of the links between markers and notes were broken. I can fix some of the issues in this document, but without deleting everything and starting over, I can't fix them all.

There's also a crash bug with notes that you need to avoid:

FYI it's also possible for sidenotes and footnotes to not be displayed due to something funky in the layout engine. I can never get all my sidenotes to appear, it's like playing Whac-A-Mole, you fix one and another one disappears. When I'm done I'll have to go through each page and look at the Layers panel to see which ones are hidden and then manually duplicate those as static frames.

 

 

[Gabe]

Can you attach the document in question? 

[dr john williams]

See attached. This shows the end notes panel having copied the first four entries.

end note test.afpub

[Hangman]

Hi @dr john williams,

As far as I can tell using the latest Beta on macoOS everything seems to be working as expected, hopefully @Gabe can confirm if there's an issue on Windows...

[Gabe]

I can see it being in the wrong order on your document, but I cannot make it go wrong from scratch. Also making any edits to your document seems to be OK

[MikeTO]

I don't have any answers but turning on Show Special Characters doesn't show any brackets for these endnotes, broken or otherwise, which is rather odd. Adding a new endnote likewise lacks brackets which is also odd.

Also this isn't a Book but endnotes are set to restart every Book and are positioned at the End of Book - I'm unsure of the impact in a standalone test doc.

[Hangman]

30 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

I don't have any answers but turning on Show Special Characters doesn't show any brackets for these endnotes, broken or otherwise, which is rather odd. Adding a new endnote likewise lacks brackets which is also odd.

Isn't that because you need to go to Text > Notes > Show Note Marks to show the brackets, that works for me...

59 minutes ago, Gabe said:

I can see it being in the wrong order on your document, but I cannot make it go wrong from scratch. Also making any edits to your document seems to be OK

Also, simply deleting the very first end note marker and re-adding it re-orders everything correctly...

[MikeTO]

2 minutes ago, Hangman said:

Isn't that because you need to go to Text > Notes > Show Note Marks to show the brackets, that works for me...

If you simply delete the very first end note marker and re-add it then everything re-orders correctly...

Oh, I need another cup of tea. Yes, of course. I keep forgetting that Show Note Marks, Show Index Marks, and Show Anchors exist separately from Show Special Characters.

[dr john williams]

Gabe,

Pl see video showing incorrect order

John

[Hangman]

Hi @dr john williams,

How are you actually moving the fourth line up to the first position? Reference Text 4 remains visible right up until it appears as the first line which suggests it's not being cut or copied and pasted or am I missing a trick here?

[Gabe]

We already know it's wrong in that document. Can you make it go wrong in a new document? (without copy/pasting anything from the broken document into the new one)

[dr john williams]

Gabe,

This is a new document that I created, not the one previously sent.

John

[dr john williams]

Hangman,

 

It's just a simple cut and paste

John

[Hangman]

9 minutes ago, dr john williams said:

It's just a simple cut and paste

I'm baffled... normally when you cut text it would vanish instantly, prior to pasting it in its new location. In your last video clip, the text remains in place and only vanishes from the bottom of the text frame when it appears at the top of the text frame... I don't know if that is just a screen redraw issue in the video.