When I use the “Insert Artboard from Selection” functionality, should I expect layers that are not part of the selection to be automatically placed in the new artboard?

[GarryP]

This only concerns documents where there is no existing artboard.

See my attached video where the red star layer isn’t moved into the new artboard if it doesn’t overlap the selection boundary – what I would expect –  but is moved into the new artboard if it overlaps the selection boundary – not what I would expect.

Is my expectation wrong, in either case?

[walt.farrell]

What is your Setting for how selection works? Do you have to fully enclose the object, or merely intersect?

If you have to fully enclose in order to select, then it's correct that only the Donut and Square Star were part of the selection, and thus only they are "on" the Artboard. However, as the Bounding Box for the red Star is physically over the Artboard, the object becomes part of the Artboard, just as it would if it were off the Artboard and you moved it so its box intersected the Artboard. But as the Object itself is outside the visible Artboard, it's not shown.

It's basically the same as if you did this: 

 

[GarryP]

My video shows which layers are selected before I use the “Insert Artboard from Selection” functionality.
In both examples shown, the only layers which are selected are the donut and the square star.

In this case I don’t think the method of selection is relevant, it’s more about whether things that aren’t selected should be considered by the functionality as “the selection”.

For example, if I have two layers selected and I want to create an Artboard from that selection, should I expect there to possibly be more than two layers in the artboard after it has been created?

I’ll try and re-word the question: “When I want to make an Artboard from a Selection of layers, should ‘Selection’ mean only the layers which have been selected, or should it mean the layers that have been selected and any other layers which just happen to overlap (or intersect with, or are contained within) the boundary box which defines the area of the selected layers?”

Or, to put it another way: “Does ‘Selection’ mean just the things that are selected, or also the things that overlap the boundary box of the things that are selected?”

I know what happens now; I’m wondering if that’s how it should be because it doesn’t seem right to me somehow.

[walt.farrell]

3 hours ago, GarryP said:

Or, to put it another way: “Does ‘Selection’ mean just the things that are selected, or also the things that overlap the boundary box of the things that are selected?”

It's not really about the selection. It's about the rule that says if you move something (e.g., your red star) over an Artboard, the Artboard captures it.

The same thing is happening here when you create the Artboard. The Artboard is created just big enough to contain the items you've selected. But in addition, other items that are over the Artboard (where "over" means "whose Bounding Boxes overlap the Artboard") are also captured.

I'm not saying whether this is working correctly. I'm just explaining what seems to be happening, and that it is consistent with the result you'd get if you first created the Artboard, then moved the red star so its Bounding Box overlapped the Artboard. 

 

[thomaso]

There is some inconsistency regarding this automatic hierarchical layer moves. For instance it does not happen accordingly if an artboard gets increased to cover an object outside the artboard …what we might expect as consequence of the way what layers get included / hierarchically moved with an artboard creation.
(whereas personally I would prefer this auto-hierarchy would never happen or would be optional with an according checkbox)

[thomaso]

17 minutes ago, thomaso said:

(whereas personally I would prefer this auto-hierarchy would never happen or would be optional with an according checkbox)

Ah, this option appears to be the "Edit All Layers" icon/button in the Layers panel.

Interesting how this deactivated option may influence the artboard creation of a selection and the included layers quite differently (0:30 min …):

[DWright]

This is by design the creation of an Artboard using the 'Selection' method will include any object that overlaps the bounding box created from the selection area and these will become part of the new artboard.

[lepr]

14 minutes ago, DWright said:

This is by design

Do you mean it is a deliberate software design decision, or do you mean it happens to be a consequence of the software design?

[lepr]

not a surprising answer to my question

[R C-R]

51 minutes ago, lepr said:

not a surprising answer to my question

I'm confused. Are you saying there was an answer & it did not surprise you or that you are not surprised that your question has not (yet?) been answered?

[lepr]

3 minutes ago, R C-R said:

I'm confused. Are you saying there was an answer & it did not surprise you or that you are not surprised that your question has not (yet?) been answered?

The latter. I expected silence, but hope springs eternal.

[R C-R]

13 minutes ago, lepr said:

The latter.

Thanks. It was not obvious what you meant from the way you wrote it ... maybe lost in translation or something?