Setting up of end notes page at the end of a book

[dr john williams]

I have a book that comprises 20 chapters. I want to include end notes throughout the book, in every chapter. I would like the end notes reference from all the chapters to be all collated together at the end of the book.

I am using the following settings:

Numbering: Restart every: book

Positioning: Note Position: End of Book

When I use these settings I can insert an end note reference e.g 1 within the chapter that I open from the book list. When I repeat the process it does not add them to the same end note page but starts a new one.

I was expecting one end note page to show collated references at the end of the chapter list in the book.

Can anyone help please

Thanks

John

[Old Bruce]

Perhaps if you change from Custom to Document-wide things may work better.

[dr john williams]

Thanks

I have changed to Document wide which has given extra settings

Set Restart every to: Book

Note Position to: End of book

But still creates End Notes within the chapter

The notes panel is not sticky as it has to be changed every time.

Unfortunately these settings do not work.

John

[Old Bruce]

That "end of book" choice for Endnotes does seem to be broken here on Mac OS 11.7

There may be a way to get it to work but I can't seem to figure it out.

[walt.farrell]

Not working for me on Windows, either, in 2.2 Beta. "End of Book" endnotes don't seem to come out when the document is Printed or Exported as a PDF.

Note, however, one caveat from the Help for "End of Book" endnotes (with my emphasis😞

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• • • End of Book—bodies are displayed and edited in an unlinked text frame in a non-printing #Booknotes section at the end of the document. All of a book's endnote bodies with this setting can be consolidated in a printing text frame of your choice by selecting Endnotes>Insert Endnotes from the Books panel's preferences menu.

However, even after doing that, the consolidated list did not print/export.

[dr john williams]

Hi Walt.

Thanks for your comments. I think they really need to look at this again as it is quite complicated, and as you have found bug ridden, for something that should be simple. I was expecting to:

• Set up the notes panel settings for end of book etc., and for them to be fixed so I did not have to keep on resetting them for each chapter I open
• Once the end note is created it should show up at the end of the chapter list for checking that entries are included as you go

There should also be a means of jumping through a chapter to see each end note number

I doubt if this would work if all the chapters were changed to sections.

Their help file need a complete re-write as its too simplistic.

Best Wishes

John

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, dr john williams said:

Once the end note is created it should show up at the end of the chapter list for checking that entries are included as you go

End Notes are placed at the end of each chapter as you enter them. And that's the only reasonable way of doing it, in my opinion.

From the documentation, at the end, you manually create a spot to insert them where you want them (e.g., at the end of the final chapter, in a new Text Frame) and tell Publisher to put them there.

1 hour ago, dr john williams said:

There should also be a means of jumping through a chapter to see each end note number

You can go to the end of the chapter, where the endnotes are located. Select one, and in the Notes panel click on the "goto reference" icon to see the reference. Then click on "goto note" to get back to the endnotes listing. Select the next one, and repeat.

 

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For reference, no pun intended; https://www.scribbr.com/citing-sources/endnotes/

[dr john williams]

Walt,

Thanks for your reply. The goto reference icon and gotonote I eventually found. However they are very difficult to see on the Windows app in dark mode. Needs a redesign

Unsure how to tell publisher how to put the notes from each chapter into the text frame at the end. You mentioned documentation can you send me the link please?

I just want the references to only be at the end of the book and not have end notes at the end of each chapter. I thought that the document wide setting Positioning: End of book would take care of that but it seems to be ineffective. 

I am using version 2.1.1 which is buggy and keeps crashing.

Best Wishes

John

[walt.farrell]

2 hours ago, dr john williams said:

Unsure how to tell publisher how to put the notes from each chapter into the text frame at the end. You mentioned documentation can you send me the link please?

Sorry for not including it originally, but I was using the in-app Help, not the online Help.

Link in online Help: https://affinity.help/publisher2/en-US.lproj/pages/Panels/notesPanel.html

2 hours ago, dr john williams said:

I just want the references to only be at the end of the book and not have end notes at the end of each chapter.

They seem to be kept with each chapter .afpub file, at the end of that file. And that's really where you'd want them, I think, when working on the book. If you had to enter a reference mark in one document and then switch to a different document to enter the endnote text that would be quite cumbersome. This way, you work within the chapter, and then at the (or earlier if you want) you tell Publisher where to put them when it creates the output file. At that time, all the endnotes are consolidated to your selected location. But if you want to make any changes, you would do so in the chapter document, where both the reference and the note text are available.

However, I'm still struggling to get them output.

[stokerg]

20 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

However, I'm still struggling to get them output.

With all endnotes set to End Of Book, try this, double-click the last chapter in the Book menu and then click Window>Section Manager and you should see a BookNotes section, select it and tick the box, 'include on export' then export to PDF.  The endnotes should now be present, only at the end of the book.

Took me a while to find that option, as it doesn't seem to be covered in the documentation/help.  I need to double-check the help file just to make sure I've not missed it and if I haven't, I'll see about getting that added to the help.

[dr john williams]

Walt

Thanks. Things are slowly getting there. This is what  I have done:

1. Created a new book with three chapters, named 1, 2,3

I opened the notes panel and selected endnotes and document-wide

Set Restart every to: book

Set positioning to: End of book

Kept the Notes panel open and used the Insert note tab to insert a note in each chapter with number and reference

As I entered a note in each chapter the note number did not increment, kept at number 1

Double clicked the last chapter and had a #booknotes section ticked export. See image

Selected all chapters in the book

Went to File>Export

Set Area to All pages did not change any other options

Only one chapter was printed.

Other behaviour

For some reason a couple of times about 9 pages were added to the chapter I was working on. I had not used the add pages option

 

John

 

all chapters test exporting notes 5.pdf

[stokerg]

43 minutes ago, dr john williams said:

Went to File>Export

 

Don't use File>Export.  Try this instead, click on the icon I've indicated in the attached screenshot and select Export from that menu, that should allow you to export all the chapters of your book to a PDF.  

[dr john williams]

Walt,

Thanks, I can do the export OK but the end notes still show up at the end of each chapter exported. It does not seem to aggregate them all together at the end as one note ignoring those in each chapter. ie the endnotes are still included there is no summary of end notes only, The text on the chapter page is shown as red, end notes provided are in black

I have done two exports. 8 is with the area as All chapters, 9 is All chapters as Pages

For chapter 3 It shows section 2 #booknotes and the start on page is shown as 2. I cannot change this. 

I am obviously missing a setting somewhere

John

all chapters test exporting notes 8.pdf all chapters test exporting notes 9.pdf

[stokerg]

Hi @dr john williams,

Can you upload the files you are using to our Dropbox here and I'll be able to see why this isn't working and let you know whats needed to get it working  

[stokerg]

Hi @dr john williams,

I can see you've uploaded some files but they are all blank, no content and no Endnotes.  Can you just check you uploaded the correct files?

[dr john williams]

Walt

I have checked the files and they are ok showing the content. 

I have attached them individually as a .package . The fonts used are also attached.

Let me know if  that works

John

chapter 2 test.afpackage chapter 3 test.afpackage chapter 1 test.afpackage ARIAL.TTF SOURCESANSPRO-REGULAR.TTF

[walt.farrell]

6 hours ago, stokerg said:

With all endnotes set to End Of Book, try this, double-click the last chapter in the Book menu and then click Window>Section Manager and you should see a BookNotes section, select it and tick the box, 'include on export' then export to PDF.  The endnotes should now be present, only at the end of the book.

Thanks!

So, what happened was, I added the consolidated endnotes at the end of chapter 3, but after the chapter 3 endnotes page that was automatically generated. That meant that my consolidated endnotes were in the automatically generated booknotes section, and set not to export.

I moved my page with the consolidated endnotes so it was before the automatic booknotes page, and then it exported just fine

6 hours ago, stokerg said:

Took me a while to find that option, as it doesn't seem to be covered in the documentation/help.  I need to double-check the help file just to make sure I've not missed it and if I haven't, I'll see about getting that added to the help.

It's documented, but it could be clearer. In https://affinity.help/publisher2/en-US.lproj/pages/Panels/notesPanel.html we see:

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For endnotes:

• ...
• End of Book—bodies are displayed and edited in an unlinked text frame in a non-printing #Booknotes section at the end of the document. All of a book's endnote bodies with this setting can be consolidated in a printing text frame of your choice by selecting Endnotes>Insert Endnotes from the Books panel's preferences menu.

Things it fails to mention:

1. Each chapter's endnotes are also placed at the end of the chapter, for convenience in editing, and also in a non-printing #Booknotes Section.
2. You must consolidate them manually, to the location where you want them to appear, using the Endnotes > Insert Endnotes function.
3. And, importantly, you should do it before the automatically generated #Booknotes section, or you need to use the Section Manager to make a new section for it, that will export.

[dr john williams]

Walt,

Not sure if I understand this correctly. I am not getting any consolidated notes when I export the book

So I went to the Chapter 3 endnotes page in the book and then created a normal Text box and called this Consolidated Notes and put this after the end notes box that was created. However when I copy the Chapter 3 endnote it does not take over the number reference ie 3. Even if I copy the created Chapter 3 end note box the reference ie 3 is lost. 

What step am I missing here?

Really need a step by step guide.

Thanks

John 

 

[walt.farrell]

6 hours ago, dr john williams said:

So I went to the Chapter 3 endnotes page in the book and then created a normal Text box and called this Consolidated Notes and put this after the end notes box that was created.

1. It should be on a page before that page. If you look at the Section Manager for chapter 3, you will see an additional section:

As provided by Publisher, that section had "Include on Export" turned off. It should remain off.

2. Then, on that new page, create your Text Frame. Click in the frame to set the text cursor there, and in the Book panel, click on the Panel options and choose Endnotes > Insert Endnotes. That will place the consolidated endnotes for all the chapters into your new Text Frame.

 

[dr john williams]

Hi Walt,

Thanks. I have now got a page in Chapter 3 that has the consolidated endnotes. However, when I export the book each chapter still contains the individual end notes (ie they are not lost.) as well as the consolidated notes

I have attached some screen shots. There is some step/setting I have missed out but we are getting there.

John

Test Book of endnotes Friday test 5.pdf

[dr john williams]

Walt,

I have created a draft guide as to the steps. See attached package.

The last item to resolve is how to export without the individual chapter endnotes appearing.

John

ARIALBD.TTF SOURCESANSPRO-REGULAR.TTF ARIAL.TTF Instructions for putting endnotes at the end of a book.afpackage

[dr john williams]

Walt

This pdf might be easier to use

John

Instructions for putting endnotes at the end of a book.pdf

[MikeTO]

21 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

2. Then, on that new page, create your Text Frame. Click in the frame to set the text cursor there, and in the Book panel, click on the Panel options and choose Endnotes > Insert Endnotes. That will place the consolidated endnotes for all the chapters into your new Text Frame.

I'm not seeing the Insert Endnotes command in the Notes panel menu on macOS. I created a book with 4 chapters. Each chapter's notes options are set to Restart Every = Book, Note Position = End of Book. I created a frame at the end of the last chapter in a printing section, click the panel's menu and these are my choices (left). Also shown is the Text > Notes menu (right). Where are you seeing Endnotes > Insert Endnotes on Windows or am I just misunderstanding the Help description?

 

[walt.farrell]

46 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

I'm not seeing the Insert Endnotes command in the Notes panel menu

If you read that again, you may see I said it's in the Book panel