Anchored object suddenly not working as intuitively

[Cogent30]

Dear Affinity Forums,

Perhaps I am back to Publisher beginner's bug here, but I am having a difficult time trying to understand why inline / anchored object to simply not behave as they should. In this example recording evidence ~ here a picture frame pasted into a text frame just simply erroneously overlaps which is not what inline object should do.

Is there some sort of nuanced pre-requisite here that I am missing? some sort of paragraph setting or text frame that needs to be set in a certain way, or some sort text wrap that should have been enabled beforehand? Or something else?

Thank you.  

CG30.

[Old Bruce]

I don't know what you are trying to achieve here but I think it may be that the "object" is a large Picture frame. You need to use the Pinning Panel from Window > Text > Pinning. Set an appropriate offset in points (mm, inches whatever). The red arrow shows where the "pin" is.

[thomaso]

10 hours ago, Cogent30 said:

here a picture frame pasted into a text frame just simply erroneously overlaps

I can't reproduce an inline pinned object that overlaps text. Your layers panel already shows a pinned object for this text frame, may be that matters here?

Also note, a customized pinned setting appears to be used again for a next inlined pinned object. And, in the Pinning Panel you may define a certain setting without having any object selected, that will be used for a next pinned object. So maybe you clear / reset the settings first … or check them at least before pinning an item?

[Cogent30]

Dear @thomaso and @Old Bruce - my thanks to you both to have responded so quickly. 

After messing about with the manual pin settings I still cannot make Affinity Publisher 2 to just behave like Indesign does - copy and paste any frame, any graphic frame, into a text frame and voila ~ the text responsively adjust in a stacked order.

In affinity publisher.......only until when I pasted the frame or object ~ into my the body section ~ then somehow it finally behaves as expected.   

So there is something about paragraph styles that somehow totally changes how anchored object works....I just cannot see why I had to troubleshoot so much trying to achieve something so simple.

[Cogent30]

Okay, I believe I have one (1) only workaround. 

Create a separate paragraph style exclusively to inline images only.

Unlike Indesign which have proper "Objects Style" specifically for "Objects" ~ looks like this is the only way so far to get inline images to behave....

 

 

[thomaso]

30 minutes ago, Cogent30 said:

workaround. 

Create a separate paragraph style exclusively to inline images only.

A separate text style avoiding the issue would indicate in my eyes that the former text style has an according property set which causes the issue.

I can't test for V2 but just noticed an issue in V1: There the pinned object does not react on baseline shift and leading override while the Undo history appears not to react on undoing baseline shift and leading override values, for instance:

[Seneca]

21 hours ago, Cogent30 said:

In this example recording evidence ~ here a picture frame pasted into a text frame just simply erroneously overlaps which is not what inline object should do.

Hello @Cogent30,

There is nothing erroneous here.

Publisher and inDesign work exactly in the same way here.

You need to remember to set the leading of any paragraph that accommodates any graphic to Auto in inDesign and to Default in Publisher.

Otherwise if the leading is not automatic/Default you get what you have recorded in your video.

And as you discovered for yourself long-time users of inDesign define a new paragraph style for Graphics/Automatic (you pick you name) and apply that style to the paragraph with the graphic.

[Cogent30]

Dear @Seneca thank you for the response and that throughout the last day (or two) I can triple confirm that after messing around character styles and the paragraph styles between "No Change", "Default" and "Auto" ~ to my surprise ~ the anchored object still doesn't behave as I expected It to. Until I resorted to finding and proposing my own workaround. 

I am aware that Affinity Publisher 2 has multiple Leading(s) parameter inputs on various interface locations. So I did try switching constantly between "Default", "No Change" and "Auto".  

***In any case and irrespective***
I am happy enough that I can continue working in Publisher 2, at least I know next time if I'm stumbling the same issue I have to  by either:

1. starting every styling from scratch on a fresh new doco (brute force / blank slate approach). or
2. create a separate inline style within paragraph, but for images.
3. and/whilst/meanwhile maintaining ~ trying to ensure  "Leading" parameter(s) input (not just as the style level, but the toolbar, at the character palette and under paragraphs leading override) to show as either "Default", "No Change" or "Auto". 

Thank you all once again for the help I really do appreciate the prompt responses. 

cg30.

[Seneca]

2 hours ago, Cogent30 said:

I am aware that Affinity Publisher 2 has multiple Leading(s) parameter inputs on various interface locations.

Great you have a work-around but, I'm still convinced that any work-around should not be necessary.

It's important to mention that Publisher has a Paragraph override in the Character Panel Panel and that also needs to be set to Auto for this to work correctly.