Mesh Warp Tool - Edit just one side of a node

[Chris Waywell]

Good afternoon!

I've been a long time user of Affinity Photo specifically using it to edit 360 equirectangular images and have recently bought and installed the version 2 upgrade. I was using the mesh warp tool today on Affinity Photo 2 and noticed that when you place a node and begin to warp the image, the node warps both sides of the node. In version 1 this was not the case unless you converted the node to 'Smooth.' I often only need to make adjustments to one side of the node and wondered if this was still a feature in version 2 or whether this is now the way the tool work. I have attached two screenshots that illustrate this point; 1 from v1 and the other from v2. As you can see, in v1 I am able to independently manipulate either side of the node where as in v2, if I manipulate one side, it automatically manipulates the other. Is there a way to turn this off? I have tried setting the node type to 'sharp' but this really does not help at all. I can continue to work in v1 as I have done all this time but very disappointed if this feature has been removed from v2.

Many thanks,

Chris Waywell

[Hangman]

Hi @Chris Waywell and welcome to the forums,

This looks like a bug to me, we've also lost the resampling option for the Mesh Warp...

[Chris Waywell]

Hello @Hangman and many thanks for your reply.

I hadn't noticed the resampling option but yes! I cannot seem to find it anywhere in v2. I continued working in v1 yesterday in the end and have currently uninstalled v2 as my 'Open with' keeps conflicting between the two programs. I'm not sure if this is also the case on the MAC version; I should have stated that the above is using the Windows v1 and v2.

I've been through every preference and option menu, clicked almost every icon I could find and nothing seems to correct the issue in v2. Does this need reporting as a bug?

Many thanks,

Chris

[Hangman]

Hi @Chris Waywell,

One of the moderation team will be able to move this thread to the V2 Bug report forum so it should be picked up and logged there.

Open With should allow you to open both V1 and V2 side by side, in does on Mac and should also do so on Windows so I'm unsure what is going on there but I would perhaps raise this in a new thread in the same v2 Bug forum.

 

[Chris Waywell]

Hiu @Hangman,

I think the 'Open With' was more of a user error on my behalf; it would indeed allow me to open with either program I just kept selecting the wrong one for the wrong project file - I tried to set the v1 version as the default but my computer decided it would open all project files with the 'Open with' dialogue window instead - so removed for the time being

Many thanks,

Chris

[Callum]

Hi All,

This appears to have been a bug in V1 that may have been fixed in V2 however I have logged a request with our developers for a modifier key to be added which replicates the V1 behaviour when adjusting the node handles.

Thanks
C

[Chris Waywell]

Hi @Callum,

Many thanks for doing that! I didn't realise it was a bug in v1 - truth be told, its been a incredibly helpful tool over the past year or so especially when working in 360! Your above mentioned request would be great - I appreciate it may be a very strange and specific user case but I'm sure it would prove equally as handy to many others so thank you for escalating it

Kind regards,

Chris

[Hangman]

1 hour ago, Callum said:

This appears to have been a bug in V1 that may have been fixed in V2 however I have logged a request with our developers for a modifier key to be added which replicates the V1 behaviour when adjusting the node handles.

That seems a little counterintuitive in as much as selecting any node handle, e.g., from a shape drawn using the pen tool and holding the Alt key will adjust only one side of the node, albeit converting a smooth node to a sharp node, so the expectation would be the same behaviour applies to node handles on a mesh warp as it currently does in V1 but hopefully the modifier key option will be added back to v2 and we will all be happy bunnies... 🐇

[Pšenda]

10 minutes ago, Hangman said:

so the expectation would be the same behaviour applies to node handles on a mesh warp as it currently does in V1

But it doesn't work like that in the Win version.

[Hangman]

2 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

But it doesn't work like that in the Win version.

I guess that's perhaps why it was considered to be a bug in V1 though I agree with @Chris Waywell, it makes sense to include the modifier key option. The behaviour would then be consistent with other node bevaviour across the apps...

[Chris Waywell]

36 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

But it doesn't work like that in the Win version.

Yes it does - I've been using the Windows v1 version where I am able to manipulate either side of the node without it automatically effecting the other.

[Pšenda]

21 minutes ago, Chris Waywell said:

Yes it does - I've been using the Windows v1 version where I am able to manipulate either side of the node without it automatically effecting the other.

No, the adjustments are made symmetrically - which I think makes sense, because otherwise a completely unnatural distortion of the image is created. I don't know what version you are using, but APhoto V1.10.5.1342 changes the position of both handles, same as V2.

[Chris Waywell]

7 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

No, the adjustments are made symmetrically - which I think makes sense, because otherwise a completely unnatural distortion of the image is created. I don't know what version you are using, but APhoto V1.10.5.1342 changes the position of both handles, same as V2.

I am using APhoto version 1.10.6.1665 and as shown in the attached image, I am able to independently change the position of all 4 handles around a node. Whilst I appreciate in many user cases this may seem unnatural but I can assure you there are some cases where it really helps, especially when correcting stitch issues on 360 photographs.

[Chris Waywell]

It's also worth pointing out I have this specific version on 2 different windows PCs and the same behaviour is observed on both. I believe this to be the most up-to-date version of APhoto 1 but correct me if I am wrong.

[Hangman]

FWIW, both v1.7.3 and v1.10.6 allow for single node adjustments when using the Mesh Warp, v2.0.4 and v2.1.0.1769 don't...

Affinity Photo Version 1.10.6

[Chris Waywell]

@Hangman this is the exact behaviour I've been getting in v1 since I can remember  Thank you for the video illustration; I wasn't aware I could upload videos to the forum. 

As I said, there will be many times when this isn't overly helpful but there have been more times than not where it is for me  A toggle to turn this on and off would be great in v2.

[Pšenda]

1 hour ago, Chris Waywell said:

I am using APhoto version 1.10.6.1665

Maybe that's why no one pointed out this bug - version V1.10.6 was "above schedule", and most people at that time were already using V2 🙂
I understand that this is useful for you and some very specific cases, but for common image deformations where the smoothness of the deformation is required, it is really very impractical.

[Hangman]

11 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

Maybe that's why no one pointed out this bug - version V1.10.6 was "above schedule", and most people at that time were already using V2 🙂
I understand that this is useful for you and some very specific cases, but for common image deformations where the smoothness of the deformation is required, it is really very impractical.

While it clearly is a bug in V1, why not make both options available...

• Modifier Key = Single Node Deformation
• No Modifier Key = Dual Node Deformation

[Chris Waywell]

Hi guys,

Strictly out of curiosity, has anything come of this?  I wasn't sure if I needed to raise it as another thread or anything?

Cheers,

Chris

[Pšenda]

1 hour ago, Chris Waywell said:

I wasn't sure if I needed to raise it as another thread or anything?

Why would you start a duplicate thread on the exact same issue?

[Chris Waywell]

To ensure it is in the right category to be correctly seen by the developer(s) / tech team but never mind; I will let this be as clearly from your curt replies it doesn't need to be addressed any further. I will simply continue to use v1 and bin off v2 - no worries 👍

[Pšenda]

16 hours ago, Chris Waywell said:

to be correctly seen by the developer(s) / tech team

 

On 4/25/2023 at 12:21 PM, Callum said:

I have logged a request with our developers for a modifier key to be added which replicates the V1 behaviour when adjusting the node handles.

 

[prophet]

Bumped into this one today. Would love to see a fix soon.

[Pšenda]

4 hours ago, prophet said:

Would love to see a fix soon.

What would you like to "fix"? It is clear from the previous posts that the behavior requested by the OP was a bug that was fixed in V2 - so there is nothing to fix.

[prophet]

Then perhaps "fix" is the wrong word. I would like to see…

On 4/25/2023 at 6:21 AM, Callum said:

a modifier key to be added which replicates the V1 behaviour when adjusting the node handles.