Running headers

[Gatada]

Hm, I have an other issue: it seems Running Headers is only taking 1 paragraph style into consideration?

I want the table of contents to have space before some sections, to group the content. The only way to do this, as far as I can understand, is to have two header 1 paragraph styles: "Header 1" and "Header 1 + TOC space". The latter has space added to the related TOC style.

However, the result is that the running header does not show the correct title, as it only tracks "Header 1".

Is there any way around this? I do not want to have to update the styles of the generated TOC manually every time I "fix" the TOC.

[Brian_J]

8 hours ago, Gatada said:

I want the table of contents to have space before some sections, to group the content. The only way to do this, as far as I can understand, is to have two header 1 paragraph styles: "Header 1" and "Header 1 + TOC space". The latter has space added to the related TOC style.

Text styles for TOCs are created automatically and are not related to any text styles that you have created. TOC text styles only show in the Text Styles panel when a text frame containing a TOC is selected.

You can edit the TOC Heading 1 text style — to add space before, for example — without effecting the Heading 1 text style you created.

[walt.farrell]

7 minutes ago, Brian_J said:

You can edit the TOC Heading 1 text style — to add space before, for example — without effecting the Heading 1 text style you created.

I think that Gatada's problem is that they want the extra space in the TOC before some, but not all, of the Heading 1 entries. Thus they need two separate text styles for the headings (so some can have the extra space in the TOC). But that messes up their use of running headers.

[Petar Petrenko]

8 hours ago, Gatada said:

"Header 1" and "Header 1 + TOC space".

Are you doing this because some headers are too long and you want to break them where you want? If so, you can break it with <SHIFT> + <RETURN> and type a space before it. This need only one paragraph style.

[TheoS]

The options to Include numbering doesn't seem to work.
Also the options for limiting text doesn't work.

Tried turning them on off, change the value etc.

[Andreas CH]

Bei mir funktioniert die Einstellung einwandfrei.

Hast du ein Beispiel im .afpub-Format?

 

The setting works perfectly for me.

Do you have an example in .afpub format?

 

[Peter J]

On 3/17/2023 at 3:39 AM, MikeTO said:

 Enter running headers.

1. Format your section or chapter names with Heading 1 or another suitable style
2. Add a short text frame at the top or bottom of your master pages for the section or chapter name. Place the cursor in this frame.
3. Using Window > Fields > Document Sections > Running Header, click the ... button beside Running Header to set the default value for all future running header fields you will insert. This won't change ones you might have already inserted so do this first.
4. Choose the style your section or chapter names are formatted with. i.e., Heading 1
5. Unless you're formatting a dictionary type document, leave "Use" as First on Page
6. Select Include Paragraph Numbering if your chapter headings have automatic paragraph numbers you want to include in the running header
7. Ignore the limits for now, that's for truncating long headings. Close the popup.
8. Double click the word Running Header in Fields and Publisher will insert the Running Header field into the text frame you drew.
9. If it's a facing pages document, do the same on the other side of the master.
10. Go to pages based on this master and you'll now see running headers on those pages. They will show the first instance of Heading 1 on the page. If Heading 1 isn't used on that page they'll show the previous use in the story, even if it's 10-15 pages earlier.

Is there an update on how this has been implemented in the released version? 
I am new to this, and have v2.1.1. 

I have inserted the <Running Header> field in a text field in the master document and it faithfully reproduces as <Running Header> in every page. Window > Fields > Document Sections > Running Header does not exist in this version and I have not been able to find any variant of it elsewhere. The Help file is not at all helpful.

Thanks for any guidance.

[Komatös]

31 minutes ago, Peter J said:

Is there an update on how this has been implemented in the released version? 
I am new to this, and have v2.1.1. 

I have inserted the <Running Header> field in a text field in the master document and it faithfully reproduces as <Running Header> in every page. Window > Fields > Document Sections > Running Header does not exist in this version and I have not been able to find any variant of it elsewhere. The Help file is not at all helpful.

Thanks for any guidance.

"Running Header" are currently being tested in Beta 2.2. So it will come to the forthcomming retail version.

[MikeTO]

28 minutes ago, Peter J said:

Is there an update on how this has been implemented in the released version? 
I am new to this, and have v2.1.1. 

I have inserted the <Running Header> field in a text field in the master document and it faithfully reproduces as <Running Header> in every page. Window > Fields > Document Sections > Running Header does not exist in this version and I have not been able to find any variant of it elsewhere. The Help file is not at all helpful.

Hi Peter and welcome to the forums. I just tried it again and it works as I described above in what you quoted here. Did you click the ... button beside the Running Header field in the Fields panel? Did you choose the heading style from it that matches the heading style you used in the body text?

[MikeTO]

Just now, Komatös said:

"Running Header" are currently being tested in Beta 2.2. So it will come to the forthcomming retail version.

Running Header is a feature of 2.1, not 2.2.

[Komatös]

1 minute ago, MikeTO said:

Running Header is a feature of 2.1, not 2.2.

Oops, I must have overslept a bit.😧

[Peter J]

18 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

Hi Peter and welcome to the forums. I just tried it again and it works as I described above in what you quoted here. Did you click the ... button beside the Running Header field in the Fields panel? Did you choose the heading style from it that matches the heading style you used in the body text?

Thanks for your quick response (and welcome). I couldn't click on the ellipsis (...) as I've not been able to access the Fields Panel. I've attached a screen capture of the Window dropdown as I see it. I'm obviously misunderstanding something here and I can't see what it is.

[Oufti]

5 minutes ago, Peter J said:

I've not been able to access the Fields Panel. I've attached a screen capture of the Window dropdown as I see it. I'm obviously misunderstanding something here and I can't see what it is.

Window > References > Fields. 

 

[Peter J]

7 minutes ago, Oufti said:

Window > References > Fields. 

 

Thank you. Got it now. (And your English is perfect.)

[Tominko]

is there option to have multiple running header - like - fields?

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, Tominko said:

is there option to have multiple running header - like - fields?

Yes, that is possible. You just add another Running Header field to your page, and use the appropriate Paragraph or Character Text Style in its settings.

If you can show an example of what you want to accomplish (and ideally provide a small .afpub sample file) we might be able to show you a way that will work, if you're having trouble getting it working.

[Tominko]

24 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Yes, that is possible. You just add another Running Header field to your page, and use the appropriate Paragraph or Character Text Style in its settings.

If you can show an example of what you want to accomplish (and ideally provide a small .afpub sample file) we might be able to show you a way that will work, if you're having trouble getting it working.

Its a big file  ...but basically - i have master page with <section Name> :: <running header> and set running header as 'title' paragraph style. i have another master page (for another section) where i want another style to be running header

[walt.farrell]

On 10/9/2023 at 7:20 AM, Tominko said:

Its a big file  ...but basically - i have master page with <section Name> :: <running header> and set running header as 'title' paragraph style. i have another master page (for another section) where i want another style to be running header

You just insert another Running Header Field from the Fields panel, and change its settings. E.g.,

First one:

Second one (I just used a single Master, but two different Running Headers):

 

 

[Tominko]

working  i didnt know that the running header settings is linked with particular <running header> field - i think this part is slightly confusing

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, Tominko said:

working  i didnt know that the running header settings is linked with particular <running header> field - i think this part is slightly confusing

I'm not sure it's clear from the Help, either, but if you haven't read it there are at least hints there: https://affinity.help/publisher2/en-US.lproj/pages/Pages/numberingPages.html

[Tominko]

43 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

I'm not sure it's clear from the Help, either, but if you haven't read it there are at least hints there: https://affinity.help/publisher2/en-US.lproj/pages/Pages/numberingPages.html

its clear for me now, i just mean that its not very 'logical' how its done in case you want multiple of them, probably better will be to something like custom field with the same option like running header so if you add it you can name it and will be a bit easier to work with

imagine if you want to have header <rh_caption> :: <rh_title> :: <rh_subtitle> then the header will look like <running header> :: <running header> :: <running header>

... but its not something used in 'daily jobs'

[MikeTO]

1 hour ago, Tominko said:

its clear for me now, i just mean that its not very 'logical' how its done in case you want multiple of them, probably better will be to something like custom field with the same option like running header so if you add it you can name it and will be a bit easier to work with

imagine if you want to have header <rh_caption> :: <rh_title> :: <rh_subtitle> then the header will look like <running header> :: <running header> :: <running header>

... but its not something used in 'daily jobs'

I wrote a full description of the running header feature in the free Publisher manual I shared here in the forum (see link in my signature).

The user interface is a bit different, when a RH field is selected the ... button lets you edit the field's properties, while when a RH field is not selected it lets you edit settings for future fields. But since the settings are set every time you create a RH field, there's not much point to setting the settings in advance.