Brad Studio Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Does ChatGPT know something we don't know? I get a "File not supported" error when trying to open an AVIF file. After reading up on AVIF, I'm at a loss why everyone isn't racing to built-in support for this wonderful new format. When can we expect this to be added to AP2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron P. Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 😄 That clearly demonstrates you can't believe everything you read or see on the internet. No, AP does not support AVIF, and Serif has not said if it will. Furthermore, Serif's policy is they do not release any timeline of when a feature may be included. Quote Affinity Photo 2.4..; Affinity Designer 2.4..; Affinity Publisher 2.4..; Affinity2 Beta versions. Affinity Photo,Designer 1.10.6.1605 Win10 Home Version:21H2, Build: 19044.1766: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s);32GB Ram, Nvidia GTX 3070, 3-Internal HDD (1 Crucial MX5000 1TB, 1-Crucial MX5000 500GB, 1-WD 1 TB), 4 External HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 ... and it certainly doesn't rush into supporting all those new and wondrous formats whose awesomeness often wears off eventually. P.S. The fact, that ChatGPT has not yet registered that APhoto is also available on other platforms (Win and iPad) also says something about its information qualities 🙂 Ron P. 1 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Th Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 Just as an aside, ChatGPT will boldly and cheerfully straight up lie to you. I've been using it regularly for quite some time, and this, um, behavior has been repeated many times. Even if you ask it to double check or verify the info, it regularly says, "Yes, I'm certain that is correct." Once I asked for sources for information that I knew was false. It said, "Sure, here you go..." and proceeded to give me four links to it's "sources." All of them were live websites; all of them said, "Page not found." When I said the links weren't live, ChatGPT politely said, "I'm sorry for the mistake. Here are the correct links." And four more links, exact same result. Checking the internet archive, there was no record the pages ever existed, and the information was definitely false. AI is an amazing, and amazingly-scary, technology. For me, I'll never trust its information 100%. Ever. Old Bruce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Studio Posted May 18, 2023 Author Share Posted May 18, 2023 I was excited to see the updates today, then immediately disappointed to see AVIF export is not included yet, considering over 70% of browsers can view AVIF but can't display JPEG XL, which is a useless format currently. Graymatter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted May 18, 2023 Share Posted May 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Brad Studio said: but can't display JPEG XL, which is a useless format currently. I know very little about this but from https://caniuse.com/avif it appears that JPEG XL is generally considered to be more feature rich than AVIF. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacb0y Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 On 5/18/2023 at 7:35 PM, R C-R said: JPEG XL is generally considered to be more feature rich than AVIF. AVIF is MUCH smaller though, a AVIF is a small fraction of the sized compared JPEG XL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATP Posted July 19, 2023 Share Posted July 19, 2023 On 6/21/2023 at 3:15 PM, sacb0y said: AVIF is MUCH smaller though, a AVIF is a small fraction of the sized compared JPEG XL. This is not true, see this linked post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Rockbin Posted July 22, 2023 Share Posted July 22, 2023 It would be a big advantage vs Photoshop if Affinity supported AVIF. If you're making websites, AVIF is now pretty much a required technology. Try running Chrome Dev tool performance tests on a site without AVIF. And no, Webp is NOT an alternative. Just try compressing a photo to webp and then with avif. Avif is vastly superior compression. Way smaller files. Often several times smaller. (webp is often worse than JPEG!) Sometimes AVIF is 10x smaller. And JPEG XL is just not available anywhere. Check it out: https://caniuse.com/jpegxl 1/30th of 1% of browsers support it globally. Compare to AVIF with 85% global support and 92.5% on mobile (which is more important to me, since 75% of my visitors are mobile). SO PLEASE - support AVIF already and I'll buy the Affinity package and be happy! I've attached a webp 47kb image and the same as a 31kb AVIF. Same source. I used photoshop to save the webp and imagemagick to make the avif. I only discovered Affinity photo because I was getting tired of using imagemagick on save as avif. You get no previews to compare compression levels or other options. Just trial and error. You need to do this every time you want to save an image: magick -define heic:speed=0 -define heic:chroma=422 -define heic:tune=vmaf -quality 21 pic-orginal.png pic-compressed.avif Imagemagick is fast (uses GPUs and multiple cores), but AVIF is a computation heavy format. You can compromise quality for speed, but that's a hard decision to make. Without previews though, discovering the right settings is painful. So - Serif/Affinity - hear the cries of your users! Support AVIF! (From my attachments - it looks like even this Affinity Forum refuses to support AVIF) 2552 savier 002-Enhanced-NRsmall-squoosh37.avif Westerwälder and Graymatter 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirkē Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Why is JXL supported and not AVIF ? JXL is 2 or 3 times heavier than AVIF Westerwälder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, cirkē said: Why is JXL supported and not AVIF ? JXL is 2 or 3 times heavier than AVIF From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_XL, Quote The standard is expected to outperform the still image compression performance shown by HEIC, AVIF, WebP, and JPEG 2000. Not sure what is meant there by "outperform" though. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATP Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, cirkē said: Why is JXL supported and not AVIF ? JXL is 2 or 3 times heavier than AVIF Please check real tests and comparisons before posting misinformation. Westerwälder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirkē Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, ATP said: Please check real tests and comparisons before posting misinformation. I have converted about 250 png (many times different settings) into , JPG ,AVIF, WEBP JXL , JXL is definitely not interesting fo internet even with more compression it's much more heavy than AVIF before opening your mouth do your own tests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATP Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 You're either doing something wrong or choosing a very low quality target. Trust me, I know what I'm doing Affinity doesn't help by having a bad implementation though, file sizes always seem high for some reason. Westerwälder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirkē Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 there is nothing wrong to do , converting is easy, avif is definitively the best format, i have tried all kind of compression s and AVIF is always better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATP Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Here we go with the misinformation again. Westerwälder 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirkē Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, ATP said: Here we go with the misinformation again. take a png and convert it into WEBP JPG JXL AVIF and you will see by your own, even with more. compression JXL is heavier and stop talking nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graymatter Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Regardless of @ATP 's objections, I also find the AVIF format a valuable addition to web development. One typical example image I'm looking at right now... Original JPG = 17KB, WEBP = 10KB, AVIF = 4KB. I just now converted the same JPG image to JXL using Affinity Photo 2.2.0. The JXL size = 28KB. Go figure! But this is all moot. The reality is that the only browser supporting JXL is Safari 17.0, which was only released September 26 this year - less than a month ago. Firefox and Opera have had JXL behind a flag for more than two years, and Chromium browsers don't even have that. See https://caniuse.com/jpegxl In comparison, AVIF has wide adoption. In some cases (Chrome) dating back more than three years. See https://caniuse.com/avif So, it would seem that AVIF is not a "new and wondrous formats whose awesomeness often wears off eventually" as @Pšenda suggested. Conclusion: For web development, JXL is currently of no value and looks like remaining so for some time. The AVIF format is useful and beneficial right now. Serif, please add the ability to import and export AVIF images. bures and martinmeadows 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pšenda Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 8 hours ago, Tony Gray said: as @Pšenda suggested Since you apparently didn't understand my post well, I'll just clarify that I'm not "suggesting" anything, I'm just "stating" how I perceive Serif's attitude towards the implementation and introduction of new export and import formats. Which can be judged both from the reactions of the moderators here on the forum, and from the speed of introducing new formats. 8 hours ago, Tony Gray said: Conclusion: For web development, JXL is currently of no value The problem may be that the main/primary purpose of ASuite apps is apparently not web design (again, judging from the approach to web design application development requirements, despite Serif previously having WebPlus). Therefore, I would probably look for the reason for implementing JPEG XL in its usability for photographers. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.4.0.2301 Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 23H2, Build 22631.3155. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graymatter Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 On 10/17/2023 at 11:10 PM, Pšenda said: Since you apparently... blah blah blah... @Pšenda can pontificate all he/she/they want. For reasons already stated, we need AVIF support. And there is no shortage of people requesting it. See Showing results for 'AVIF'. - Affinity | Forum (serif.com) Serif, please add the ability to import and export AVIF images. Philippe BOIS, cirkē and bures 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacHeritage Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Serif, I am adding my voice as well. Please support AVIF in Affinity Photo! Philippe BOIS, Graymatter and cirkē 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehomme Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Another vote for avif support. Really disappointing that the first real world thing I try and do with Affinity (in trying to move away from PS ) has failed. Graymatter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Studio Posted November 20, 2023 Author Share Posted November 20, 2023 I'm saving a lot of images from Google Image Search and finding they're AVIF, and I can't open them in Affinity Photo 2. Meanwhile, Adobe has integrated generative AI that can do all kinds of mad wizardry to create mind-blowing images just by typing text. It's time for Serif to stop slacking off and catch up before that quiet sucking sound becomes a full-blown vacuum of losing all its users back to Adobe. Philippe BOIS, R C-R and Pšenda 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehomme Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Whoh there cowboy! Have you actually used Firefly? It's pretty iffy and if all you're gonna do is use AI to generate images then you're not really adding any value. As far as I can tell PS also doesn't support avif. Although there's supposed to be a plugin I get a 404 clicking the download link. The reason big software fails is cos it gets too bloated and adds superfluous features instead of focusing on core workflow and improvements. If you compare AE and Premiere to something like Resolve you can see why Adobe is sinking. I have a terrible feeling they'll ruin Figma Graymatter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StargateCOlorado Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 As best I can tell, Photoshop now supports AVIF ... sort of. It will load AVIF files via Camera RAW 16.0 and pass them into PS. However, I can't find a path within PS to save it as an AVIF. Can't exactly take advantage of AVIF's compression capabilities. 😞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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