Footnotes formatting

[Hirtarchery]

Hello,
 

I'm writing on the forum in order to get more information about footnotes. I'm currently having problems with the formatting of the footnotes. As you can see on the pictures, my footnotes are not link to there references anymore. The second footnote should stay underneath the same page as his reference. Unfortunately there is not enough space for it. Is there a way (like it does automatically in microsoft word) to prioritize the footnote instead of the text. I want the footnote to extend upward and to push the text (if necessary) on the next page in order to show my full footnotes

I hope my explanation are understandable (English isn't  my mother tongue) and I thank you for your help.
 

[Old Bruce]

This is because there is not enough space on page 10 for the second note. It is actually a quite standard practice to do this. I wouldn't worry about it.

[Hirtarchery]

Thank you for your answer. I see what you mean, but is there no way to force the rest of the text to follow the second note in order to have both the reference and the note on the same page?

[walt.farrell]

24 minutes ago, Hirtarchery said:

Thank you for your answer. I see what you mean, but is there no way to force the rest of the text to follow the second note in order to have both the reference and the note on the same page?

You would need to break the text earlier, but then the reference itself would be on the next page, and you would have a gap at the bottom of the text on that page that you might not like.

This gets especially tricky to handle automatically if you're using any of the Flow options to keep paragraphs together, or to avoid widowed and orphaned lines. You might be able to put in a Page Break or Column Break manually, but then if you make later changes to the text that break may end up in a very obviously wrong location.

But without having the actual document to experiment with, there's not much more I can say.

 

[Old Bruce]

1 hour ago, Hirtarchery said:

Thank you for your answer. I see what you mean, but is there no way to force the rest of the text to follow the second note in order to have both the reference and the note on the same page?

I think there is a setting for putting several notes together. Something like Allow Split notes maybe? I am away from the Mac at the moment.

In this particular case I would be tempted to reduce the tracking on Page 10, and perhaps the leading as well. Having said that I would add that having a note on the following page really isn't a big deal. I see this quite often in books and magazines and it doesn't bother me as a reader. And that is actually who the publications are for, the readers. We have to remember that footnotes are ignored by readers quite often.

[walt.farrell]

14 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

I think there is a setting for putting several notes together. Something like Allow Split notes maybe? I am away from the Mac at the moment.

I think you mean Pack Short Notes, but I think these notes are too long for that option to work.

[MikeTO]

Wow, this came up twice in one day. Please see this other thread with a test document and screenshot.

In my opinion this is a bug although it could be considered a design choice. Apps normally try to keep the note marker and the note body on the same page. If there isn't space, the line containing the note marker should be moved to the next frame in the story so it can be displayed with the note body. The paragraph flow options may mean more than one line is moved of course. If no following frame has space for both the note marker and note body then the app should split them up.

Ideally, there would also be an option to do what it's doing now, to allow the note marker and note body to be split to prevent unnecessary whitespace gaps.

[Dan C]

Hi,

I've logged this with the linked issue.

Lee

[Hirtarchery]

Thank you for all your help!