Alt / Option click to expand / collapse all in the Layers panel

[awakenedbyowls]

On 2/8/2023 at 10:57 AM, Ash said:

Apps: All
Platforms: Windows, macOS and iPad

In all apps you can use the Option (macOS and iPad) or Alt (Windows) modifier on the expand chevron in the layers panel. If you hold the modifier that will now expand all groups, layers and other nested items within the parent, and going the other way will collapse them all. This provides a more convenient / accessible way to achieve the "Expand Selection" and "Collapse Selection" options which are available in the right click layers menu on desktop. For iPad this is the first time this function has been available at all (requires using the ⌥ modifier with command controller, or ⌥ key on a connected keyboard.

Where do I find the option to Collapse All Parents on the iPad ?

[walt.farrell]

58 minutes ago, awakenedbyowls said:

Where do I find the option to Collapse All Parents on the iPad ?

Just like it said in the section you quoted. You Option+Click/Tap on the chevron in the Layers studio: 

 

[awakenedbyowls]

I'm holding the alt key - cmd - cmd+alt while tapping this and all it's doing it closing that layer

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, awakenedbyowls said:

I'm holding the alt key - cmd - cmd+alt while tapping this and all it's doing it closing that layer

The instruction was to press/hold Option, not Alt nor Cmd. You can also do that with the Command Controller: 

 

[awakenedbyowls]

15 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

The instruction was to press/hold Option, not Alt nor Cmd. You can also do that with the Command Controller: 

 

What is Option ?

That's the symbol for Alt on my keyboard

[walt.farrell]

58 minutes ago, awakenedbyowls said:

What is Option ?

That's the symbol for Alt on my keyboard

Does it work if you use the Command Controller?

[awakenedbyowls]

12 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Does it work if you use the Command Controller?

Negative

Why would it work there but not just by pressing the key on my keyboard ?

[walt.farrell]

It could work with the Command Controller but not with the keyboard if your keyboard is not sending the right key code.

If it doesn't work with either, please confirm the application and release you're using, and a screen recording of it not working.

[awakenedbyowls]

7 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

It could work with the Command Controller but not with the keyboard if your keyboard is not sending the right key code.

Why wouldn't my keyboard send the right key code? These keys work like they should for other functions

[walt.farrell]

16 minutes ago, awakenedbyowls said:

Why wouldn't my keyboard send the right key code? These keys work like they should for other functions

I don't know.

But if it also doesn't work with the Command Controller, then it's something else. Again, please confirm which application and release of the application you're using. And a recording of it not working would help. Or, at least, a screenshot showing your Layers studio and highlighting where you clicked.

[awakenedbyowls]

2 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

I don't know.

But if it also doesn't work with the Command Controller, then it's something else. Again, please confirm which application and release of the application you're using. And a recording of it not working would help. Or, at least, a screenshot showing your Layers studio and highlighting where you clicked.

Designer 2 - whatever the latest version is on an iPad Air 5th gen

[walt.farrell]

2 minutes ago, awakenedbyowls said:

Designer 2 - whatever the latest version is on an iPad Air 5th gen

Please provide a screenshot. From the application Home Screen, click on Account on the lower left, and give a screenshot of the release info on the upper right. Or at least tell us the complete release number that it shows.

[awakenedbyowls]

[walt.farrell]

Thanks, but I can't tell where you're clicking.  There's an option in the application Settings to Show Touches. Perhaps that would let us see.

However: I'm not sure what you expect to happen. You'll see that in my screenshot above I have a multi-level nesting hierarchy. You seem to have only a multiple groups, but they are not nested. The function is not a Collapse or Expand Everything. It applies to everything within a single parent Group or Layer. So for your design, the new function simply may not provide anything different than what you had.

[awakenedbyowls]

9 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Thanks, but I can't tell where you're clicking.  There's an option in the application Settings to Show Touches. Perhaps that would let us see.

However: I'm not sure what you expect to happen. You'll see that in my screenshot above I have a multi-level nesting hierarchy. You seem to have only a multiple groups, but they are not nested. The function is not a Collapse or Expand Everything. It applies to everything within a single parent Group or Layer. So for your design, the new function simply may not provide anything different than what you had.

I'm clicking the chevron - where else would I be clicking to make the child layers appear and disappear ?

The issue in question is how to collapse ALL the layers - ALL the parent layers - like when you right click on the layers menu in Windows - if it was just how to collapse one parent layer then there would hardly be an issue would there ?

[walt.farrell]

18 minutes ago, awakenedbyowls said:

The issue in question is how to collapse ALL the layers - ALL the parent layers - like when you right click on the layers menu in Windows - if it was just how to collapse one parent layer then there would hardly be an issue would there ?

But that's not what the function provided in 2.1, which this topic is about, and where you've posted your question, does.

You can do it, if you create a Layer at the top of the Stack and nest everything in it. Then an Option-click on that Layer's Chevron will childhood or expensive everything that's in it. 

Other than that, the iPad may not have the function you're looking for 

[awakenedbyowls]

9 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

But that's not what the function provided in 2.1, which this topic is about, and where you've posted your question, does.

You can do it, if you create a Layer at the top of the Stack and nest everything in it. Then an Option-click on that Layer's Chevron will childhood or expensive everything that's in it. 

Other than that, the iPad may not have the function you're looking for 

Sorry but how I'm reading this thread - this is exactly what this thread is about 

From the first post:

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In all apps you can use the Option (macOS and iPad) or Alt (Windows) modifier on the expand chevron in the layers panel. If you hold the modifier that will now expand all groups, layers and other nested items within the parent, and going the other way will collapse them all

Creating a new Parent Layer and collapsing it does not collapse all the open layers within it - so when I reopen it they also fly open and if I end up with a massive list of open layers and get lost then "Collapse All Parent Layers" is a useful function

If it's not a feature of the iPad then why not ? This a basic feature !

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, awakenedbyowls said:

Creating a new Parent Layer and collapsing it does not collapse all the open layers within it

It does for me, if I press Option on the iPad or use the Command Controller, then click on the Chevron of that parent Layer. I did it before posting that screenshot earlier.

Of course, you wouldn't want to click it again with Option pressed, or it would expand everything

I can't provide a screen recording until this evening at the earliest, but probably tomorrow.

[awakenedbyowls]

4 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

It does for me, if I press Option on the iPad or use the Command Controller, then click on the Chevron of that parent Layer. I did it before posting that screenshot earlier.

Of course, you wouldn't want to click it again with Option pressed, or it would expand everything

I can't provide a screen recording until this evening at the earliest, but probably tomorrow.

So whether or not I hold a certain key down or not dictates whether or not it collapses everything down or just hides everything so it's all there when I reopen it?

I don't know - is there not option to just collapse everything down on the iPad ? and if not why not !

Why are they always differences in functionality between the iPad and Windows? I get the interface has to be different but they should all feature the same basic features

[walt.farrell]

19 minutes ago, awakenedbyowls said:

So whether or not I hold a certain key down or not dictates whether or not it collapses everything down or just hides everything so it's all there when I reopen it?

Yes. Option+click on the Chevron for a parent Layer will either collapse the other and all the children, or expand the parent and all children. 

20 minutes ago, awakenedbyowls said:

is there not option to just collapse everything down on the iPad ? 

Not that I have found.