whistlerdan Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 I have some stock AI files that I purchased from a stock library and when I open them in Affinity Designer, all the colour shift from what I'm wanting them to be. I can't figure out how to shift them back! When the files are opened, I get a message popping up saying a profile has been applied to the unprofiled document. It applies US Web Coated SWOP v2. Is there a way to change what profile is applied by default? What am I supposed to be doing? I have been to the document setup panel and tried both assigning a profile, and also converting to a profile, but the colours always remain the same and don't match the colours of the same file when opened in any other applications. Here is the same file opened in Designer and Photoshop. This is a drastic colour shift that I can't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted February 14, 2016 Share Posted February 14, 2016 Set default color profiles in Preferences > Color Profiles. Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlerdan Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 Yeah, I saw that option, but in that menu there is no dropdown box to let you define what to do when you are opening a file that has no color space already attached to it. The problem with these files, and there have been many like it downloaded from Shutterstock and Adobe Stock, is that the are totally unassigned. When Affinity Designer gets hold of then it seems to performs a conversion to CMYK immediately, without asking you. That menu specifies which CMYK space to use use if you open a CMKY image. Or what RGB space to use if you open an RGB image, but if it doesn't know whether it's a CMKY or RGB image, it seems to make some assumptions somewhere and make a conversion. When I try and open the same files in an Adobe app, a menu pops up and says what kind of image would you like to open this as. It doesn't make any assumptions if it doesn't know, so it asks you. As far as I can tell, there's no way of going back from that conversion once these images have been incorrectly profiled. If I convert back to RGB, the colors don't change back, so I'm stuck with the wrong colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Are you maybe confusing ICC color profiles, like sRGB IEC61966-2.1 or U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2, with color formats, like RGB (8bit) or CMYK (8 bit)? Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlerdan Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 I'm not sure what I'm confusing, but the fact is there is no way to open these files in Designer and have them look correct. It applies a CMYK ICC profile (U.S. Web Coated (SWOP) v2) automatically when you open the files, but the file isn't CMKY, it's an RGB file, so it skews all the colours in the way you see in the file I attached to my first post. Once you have the file open, you cannot get the colours to go back to how they should be, either by manually assigning an RGB ICC profile, or converting to an RGB ICC profile in the document preferences. I can open these files in Finder on my mac, in Photoshop, Bridge ...etc and they all look fine. It's only a problem when I open them into Designer and I get the warning message that it has applied a profile to an unprofiled image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlerdan Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 One of the problems I'm having is understanding this line from the user manual "The chosen profile will be used as the current working space and will be offered when creating new documents, or will be used if you choose to convert an opened file's colour space (discarding its own colour profile)." This line is in relation to the preferences/colour profile menu you suggested I look at. The instructions seem to indicate that you chose a single profile, but that's not true. You choose a profile for RGB and a profile for CMYK. When I open my supposedly unassigned image, it tells me that it has converted it to my working colour space, but it has converted it to my working CMYK colourspace, not the working RGB one that is specified in the preferences menu. I feel like this is where the problem is. There doesn't appear for there to be a way to open this unassigned image and have it apply the specified RGB ICC profile, it always goes for the CMKY one and in doing so, all the colours get shifted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted February 18, 2016 Staff Share Posted February 18, 2016 Hi whistlerdan, Can you provide us one of those files so we can check what's going on? You can PM me a dropbox link if you don't want to post it publicly. All files will be deleted after being checked. Thanks. Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software | Affinity Quick Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R C-R Posted February 18, 2016 Share Posted February 18, 2016 Because you mentioned "stock AI files" in your first post, I am assuming that you are referring to vector artwork that you purchased from Shutterstock or the like in Adobe Illustrator format. As a hobbyist, I don't use or buy stock artwork so I cannot tell you why AD is treating them as CMYK, only that the few free AI files I have downloaded from the web are treated as RGB when I open them in AD. However, I can tell you that unfortunately it isn't as simple as there being a single "correct" color rendering for any image file, & that for vector artwork this is even more true because there is no real world reference like there would be for a photo. To understand why requires some knowledge of color spaces, color profiles, & digital color management in general. Please understand also that I am in no way an expert on this subject. I am still struggling with some of the concepts myself; however, I have found this three part article better than most at explaining the basics. Madame and whistlerdan 2 Quote All 3 1.10.8, & all 3 V2.4.1 Mac apps; 2020 iMac 27"; 3.8GHz i7, Radeon Pro 5700, 32GB RAM; macOS 10.15.7 Affinity Photo 1.10.8; Affinity Designer 1.108; & all 3 V2 apps for iPad; 6th Generation iPad 32 GB; Apple Pencil; iPadOS 15.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlerdan Posted February 18, 2016 Author Share Posted February 18, 2016 MEB - Have messaged you the file. Thanks for taking a look! R C-R Thanks for the link, I will digest that info and see if it helps me. I guess what I'm thinking of as "correct" is just how the file looks when I open it in any other application other than Designer. I will see what MEB discovers when he tries to open the file :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff MEB Posted February 19, 2016 Staff Share Posted February 19, 2016 Hi whistlerdan, I'm getting a 404 error: "the file you’re looking for has been moved or deleted". Can you check the link please? Quote A Guide to Learning Affinity Software | Affinity Quick Reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJack Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Whoops. Nevermind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlerdan Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Haha yeah JimmyJack, I saw what you posted before you edited but unfortunately those ideas didn't work. Hoping MEB has some ideas soon now he has had a chance to test one of the files. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJack Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 You're fast :D If there isn't a licensing issue, could you throw one up here? Crowd sourcing and all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whistlerdan Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 You're fast :D If there isn't a licensing issue, could you throw one up here? Crowd sourcing and all.... Hah! I have email notifications turned on so it send me your post. I can't post the file publicly, will DM you. Thanks for your willingness to help :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolsh Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Hi guys, may I ask what is the eventual solution in this case? :) We often work on stock, unprofiled vector files with eventual export to Adobe1998 RGB TIFF for digital print. Having AD force assign CMYK to all unprofiled vector files (be it EPS/AI/PDF..) on file open results in colors changing to a very pale/washed out palette. It's the only issue forcing me to stick to AI while I'd switch to AD instantly if I could. Other than that, you've done a marvellous job guys! :) Seriously. I've worked with most of DTP/Photo editing software on the market for the past two decades now, and the moment I've stumbled upon AP/AD was instant love. The usability and features is by far top league in their category. Big thanks to all the Affinity team for such an amazing suite and a great support on the forums. Thanks Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdul Salim Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Different Vector icons work with different color pallets, Use Afinity Photo->Open the Vector File-> Click on Document from Menu->Color Format->Select CMYK->Adjustment->Recolor Here you can change the color you want to change it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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