Inconsistent zoom increments (Windows)

[JulianB]

Using the scroll wheel, Instead of zooming 1% at a time, the program jumps between large values and without much consistency.

Is it supposed to be like this or have I overlooked a setting? I know it's not a conflicting behavior with my computer's system settings as the layers panel still scrolls 1 layer at a time. Also, hovering and scrolling over either the navigator or zoom tool percentage ui will zoom the canvas in increments of 1%.

 

[Pšenda]

29 minutes ago, JulianB said:

without much consistency.

Ctrl+"+" and Ctrl+"-" makes jumps more predictable.

[JulianB]

1 minute ago, Pšenda said:

Ctrl+"+" and Ctrl+"-" makes jumps more predictable.

Thank you for the tip, but those jumps are far too large. I was able to scroll by a percentage in Affinity V1 and expect the same for V2. Can you or anyone confirm if this is typical behavior on scroll?

[Pšenda]

10 minutes ago, JulianB said:

Thank you for the tip, but those jumps are far too large. I was able to scroll by a percentage in Affinity V1 and expect the same for V2. Can you or anyone confirm if this is typical behavior on scroll?

To me, V2 behaves exactly the same as V1 when zooming with Ctrl or the scroll wheel. In my opinion, Affinity never zoomed +-1% on the canvas, only when hovering and scrolling over the Zoom value in the Navigator.
I didn't understand your problem from your video.

[JulianB]

20 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

To me, V2 behaves exactly the same as V1 when zooming with Ctrl or the scroll wheel. In my opinion, Affinity never zoomed +-1% on the canvas, only when hovering and scrolling over the Zoom value in the Navigator.
I didn't understand your problem from your video.

In the video it jumped from 100% to 125% to 156% to 195%, as opposed to what I want, 100% to 101% to 102% etc. The same functionality I experienced in V1 of Affinity.

[debraspicher]

Same behavior here, but it took a moment to reproduce. I don't use scroll wheel for zoom. Scroll wheel will not work on my setup unless I hold it down while zooming. It does a micro-pan vertically instead (similar to website behavior).

I did check scroll wheel settings to see if the increments there impacted the percentages. Seems to be same steps/increments as yours regardless of mouse settings.

Edit: BTW, this is Monitor 1 on my setup (125% DPI/4K)

[Pšenda]

13 minutes ago, JulianB said:

100% to 101% to 102% etc. The same functionality I experienced in V1 of Affinity.

I don't think it ever worked that way in V1. If you still have V1 installed, please provide a video.

 

16 minutes ago, JulianB said:

In the video

In your video at the end, you show something in the Layer panel, which has nothing to do with zooming - that's why I don't understand it.

[JulianB]

30 minutes ago, debraspicher said:

Same behavior here, but it took a moment to reproduce. I don't use scroll wheel for zoom. Scroll wheel will not work on my setup unless I hold it down while zooming. It does a micro-pan vertically instead (similar to website behavior).

 

I did check scroll wheel settings to see if the increments there impacted the percentages. Seems to be same steps/increments as yours regardless of mouse settings.

Edit: BTW, this is Monitor 1 on my setup (125% DPI/4K)

Thank you Debra. It helps to know at least that this seems to be Affinity's standard function. The scroll steps are bizarre, so I guess for now I'll opt for an external scrolling add-on to more precisely control Affinity's canvas to my needs.

[walt.farrell]

52 minutes ago, JulianB said:

In the video it jumped from 100% to 125% to 156% to 195%, as opposed to what I want, 100% to 101% to 102% etc. The same functionality I experienced in V1 of Affinity.

V1 and V2 work the same for me in this area, and V1 never jumped in such small amounts when zooming using the mouse.

[JulianB]

32 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

I don't think it ever worked that way in V1. If you still have V1 installed, please provide a video.

 

In your video at the end, you show something in the Layer panel, which has nothing to do with zooming - that's why I don't understand it.

Here's an example of scrolling with the wheel in V1 of Affinity, though I should preface by saying I own this version on Mac not Windows. Like I said it zooms in increments of 1% in V1.

I originally included the example of me scrolling on the layers panel as well because I was afraid the first response to my post would be that I should adjust the scrolling integer in my system settings, which I already checked is 1. Debra helpfully debunked that it doesn't have an affect on Affinity regardless of that setting.

[Pšenda]

3 hours ago, JulianB said:

Like I said it zooms in increments of 1% in V1.

I'm wondering if this is standard Affinity functionality on the Mac or some specific configuration of yours. Adjusting the zoom by 1% with the mouse wheel seems completely impractical to me - scrolling is supposed to be used for quick operational controlling/zooming of the canvas, not for precise viewing adjustment (there are other tools/functions for that), so I don't think it could have been intended like this by Serif.

[JulianB]

34 minutes ago, Pšenda said:

I'm wondering if this is standard Affinity functionality on the Mac or some specific configuration of yours. Adjusting the zoom by 1% with the mouse wheel seems completely impractical to me

I don't know why it wouldn't be standard. A program should recognize scroll acceleration. If I scroll quick, it zooms quick, if I'm slow, it's precise. Anything other than increments of 1 is odd, which is why I thought something was off with my installation of V2 in the first place. Alternatively, I don't know why you'd want to zoom in increments of whatever this is.

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[R C-R]

4 hours ago, JulianB said:

Here's an example of scrolling with the wheel in V1 of Affinity, though I should preface by saying I own this version on Mac not Windows. Like I said it zooms in increments of 1% in V1.

I am on a Mac too & for me scrolling with the scroll wheel never increments the zoom level by 1% increments in either V1 or V2.In fact, the zoom level is not increasing by 1% increments in your example -- just look at the zoom level as shown in the toolbar where for example it goes from 200.0 to 200.8% at around the 3 second mark.

[MikeTO]

Mac v1 and v2 work identically, scrolling one notch (if you have a notched wheel option) increases by 0.4% or decreases by 0.2%. Scroll acceleration is taken into account. It's completely fluid and feels natural so there's no need to think about it.

So this is a Windows-specific issue.

[debraspicher]

5 hours ago, JulianB said:

Thank you Debra. It helps to know at least that this seems to be Affinity's standard function. The scroll steps are bizarre, so I guess for now I'll opt for an external scrolling add-on to more precisely control Affinity's canvas to my needs.

What specific use case do you need 1% -/+ usages for? Just curious. Maybe others can advise a better solution.

This may or may not help either, but if these are very specific zoom/positioning situations. The Navigator lets us set "View points". These can be stepped iteratively through using F-keys/etc, but have to assign it in the shortcuts area. That won't work for fluid situations, but if you're frequently having to go back and forth to one portion of the piece, it can be set on a per-document basis. We can rename those viewpoints as well.

[R C-R]

3 hours ago, MikeTO said:

Mac v1 and v2 work identically, scrolling one notch (if you have a notched wheel option) increases by 0.4% or decreases by 0.2%.

That is how it works for me on my Mac, & it looks it works about the same way in the Mac example @JulianB a posted video of in this post above, so I'm not sure what is meant about incrementing by 1% in any of the apps, particularly considering what @walt.farrell said here about it working the same way for him in both the V1 & V2 Windows versions, which makes me wonder how it can be a Windows-specific issue.

[Pšenda]

16 hours ago, JulianB said:

without much consistency.

"Inconsistent zoom increments (Windows)"

Just to add, zooming using the wheel in Windows is completely consistent. 25% is always added to the existing zoom value.

So it's not an absolute increment (+25%, +25%,…), but a relative increment to the current display, so the values look seemingly chaotic.

100% + 25% of the value 100% (which is 25%) = 125%.

125% + 25% of the value 125% (which is 31%) = 156%.

156% + 25% of the value 156% (which is 39%) = 195%.

Another situation is when using Ctrl+"+", where the value jumps by fixed increments.

[Granddaddy]

Thanks to @Pšendafor pointing out and quantifying the very consistent zooming in with the mouse wheel in Windows. Zooming out is, of course, just the inverse where each view is just 80% of the current view. This seems to me most logical and desirable, neither too much nor too little. 

[Pšenda]

26 minutes ago, Granddaddy said:

neither too much nor too little. 

Yes, ideal for quick zooming in on details and zooming out the overall view for easier orientation. Steps of 1% seem completely impractical to me - whether the view is 100%, 101%, or 102% is hardly a noticeable difference.

[JulianB]

7 hours ago, Pšenda said:

Just to add, zooming using the wheel in Windows is completely consistent. 25% is always added to the existing zoom value.

So it's not an absolute increment (+25%, +25%,…), but a relative increment to the current display, so the values look seemingly chaotic.

This is helpful to know, thank you, but I'll have to disagree with @Granddaddy, I still find navigation between values to be far far too large, and I'll stick to an external add-on to better control Affinity's scrolling.

If anyone can clarify why scrolling is functioning so differently between Mac and Windows, it would be appreciated. Seems @R C-R, @MikeTO, and myself have small increments on Mac, while @walt.farrell and others on Windows have the relative 25% increments as described above.