Text or shape with same colour stroke results in a thin line near stroke

[Josh9856]

Why is there a thin line between the fill and the stroke for an outer stroke setting?

I realise you can set the stroke to come from the middle and this fixes it, but that is not idea in all situations. 

 

[lacerto]

Obsolete.

[debraspicher]

On 1/28/2023 at 1:05 AM, lacerto said:

Hello @Josh9856, and welcome to the forums.

This is a common issue in graphic design apps and related to antialiasing. Some apps can deal with the issue in context of export by automatically overlapping inner and outer parts of these kinds of objects so that the gap is covered. Affinity apps unfortunately cannot do this so to avoid this, some manual work is required. Most often these issues would not show on printed design.

It's a shame for web images. I don't usually use outer stroke over a color that would show through. It's interesting how one can use a program for so long but never notice some things...

[NotMyFault]

1 hour ago, debraspicher said:

It's a shame for web images.

Why it is a shame, and for what or whom?
 

1 hour ago, debraspicher said:

It's interesting how one can use a program for so long but never notice some things...

Seems this is an issue rarely having an noticeable impact as lacerto said.

And there are easy workarounds. Why use an outer stroke in this specific case (same color, 100% opacity)? Center stroke of double width produces the intended visual result.

Affinity has limited resources so issues with higher impact needs to get prioritized for fixing.

On 1/28/2023 at 8:05 AM, lacerto said:

Some apps can deal with the issue in context of export by automatically overlapping inner and outer parts of these kinds of objects so that the gap is covered

Interesting, do you have more details? Does it work for raster and vector export formats?
Specifically in case of vector formats, how are these layers adjusted? Increasing stroke size? Combining stroke and curve into one curve? Applied to text layers?

No matter which approach is used, it will definitely modify the original curve / stroke of the file. So if you export e.g. to svg and re-import again the layers will differ. I dont say this is a bad thing, but at least users should have a choice.

For me it is a question of „Philosophy“: Affinity apps tend to export layers „literally“. In some cases users may prefer if Affinity would apply some adjustments to heal common issues, e.g. closing gaps like in this case.

[debraspicher]

15 minutes ago, NotMyFault said:

Why it is a shame, and for what or whom?
 

Seems this is an issue rarely having an noticeable impact as lacerto said.

And there are easy workarounds. Why use an outer stroke in this specific case (same color, 100% opacity)? Center stroke of double width produces the intended visual result.

Affinity has limited resources so issues with higher impact needs to get prioritized for fixing.

Interesting, do you have more details? Does it work for raster and vector export formats?
Specifically in case of vector formats, how are these layers adjusted? Increasing stroke size? Combining stroke and curve into one curve? Applied to text layers?

No matter which approach is used, it will definitely modify the original curve / stroke of the file. So if you export e.g. to svg and re-import again the layers will differ. I dont say this is a bad thing, but at least users should have a choice.

For me it is a question of „Philosophy“: Affinity apps tend to export layers „literally“. In some cases users may prefer if Affinity would apply some adjustments to heal common issues, e.g. closing gaps like in this case.

This is quite the defensive post from a simple comment and I have decided not to get into a rundown where I should have to run my observations by you in order to get into the specifics. That's not why I post here at all and it is a bad use of time over a relatively minor criticism.

[firstdefence]

@Josh9856 Try using the contour tool instead.

1. To thicken a typeface select the text layer
2. Select the contour tool and set the expansion of the typeface as you would with a stroke 
   If you are happy with it you can bake the contour bearing in mind baking will convert the text to curves, else do not bake and the text will remain editable.
3. If you want to have a colour stroke effect, duplicate the text and contour the text layer below to have a simulated coloured stroke.

[lacerto]

Obsolete.

[thomaso]

16 minutes ago, lacerto said:

3 hours ago, NotMyFault said:

Interesting, do you have more details? Does it work for raster and vector export formats?

Illustrator, e.g., does it both when exporting to vectors (e.g. PDF, SVG), (…)
(…) expands the outline and then overlaps the "stroke" and "fill" parts.

Visually the .ai example appears like a trapping result … an option which Affinity generally lacks.  (= Über-/Unterfüllung, @NotMyFault)

 Ai versus AD:

@lacerto, in your post the .ai.png appears twice (where the AD.png is expected as comparison). Can you delete one and reposition the AD.png from the post bottom to avoid confusion?

[lacerto]

Obsolete.

[thomaso]

5 hours ago, NotMyFault said:

Why it is a shame, and for what or whom?

"shame" ≠ Schande (German) but also might simply express "it's a pity" (= schade):

"It's interesting how a pity that one can use a program for so long but never notice some things..."

[NotMyFault]

5 hours ago, thomaso said:

"shame" ≠ Schande (German) but also might simply express "it's a pity" (= schade):

"It's interesting how a pity that one can use a program for so long but never notice some things..."

Sorry I’m non native English. My usual dictionary says shame = Schande and gives multiple examples confirming this interpretation 

 

12 hours ago, debraspicher said:

It's a shame for web images. I don't usually use outer stroke over a color that would show through. It's interesting how one can use a program for so long but never notice some things...

Debra, i did not intend to offend you. Sorry for causing any inconvenience. I was asking out of curiosity because I could not interpret those 3 sentences in combination. It’s a shame, but you don’t use the function. Then why wondering that you never noticed- what exactly, using outer stroke, getting unwanted transparency between stroke an fill, … ?

I don’t need any explanation from your side. Sorry again. On the other side. Why assuming the worst in my post and giving such a strong reaction?
Again, these questions came to my mind, don’t feel obliged to waist any more time in this matter. 

[thomaso]

5 hours ago, NotMyFault said:

Sorry I’m non native English. My usual dictionary says shame = Schande and gives multiple examples confirming this interpretation 

Me too. I also was confused by the use of 'shame' in a recent response that made me doubt about my German understandig of "shame" as "Schande", the user seemed to combine it with a friendly reaction, which let me search for alternative translations.

A forum search appears surprising, too: It finds over 1300 uses, unlikely in the sense of "Schande" as "disgrace" or "infamy". To my ears, the above said something like, “Stupid, I didn’t notice that before.”

[R C-R]

FWIW, the macOS Dictionary app "American English" entry shows this:

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shame | SHām | 

noun

• a painful feeling of humiliation or distress caused by the consciousness of wrong or foolish behavior: she was hot with shame | he felt a pang of shame at telling Alice a lie.

• a loss of respect or esteem; dishonor: the incident had brought shame on his family.

• used to reprove someone for something of which they should be ashamed: shame on you for dredging up such terrible memories | for shame, brother!

• [in singular] a regrettable or unfortunate situation or action: it is a shame that they are not better known.

• a person, action, or situation that brings a loss of respect or honor: ignorance of Latin would be a disgrace and a shame to any public man.

 

 

[thomaso]

24 minutes ago, R C-R said:

• [in singular] a regrettable or unfortunate situation or action: it is a shame that they are not better known.

But why does it add here "[in singular]" – isn't "shame" always singular, can there be "two shames"?

[R C-R]

1 hour ago, thomaso said:

But why does it add here "[in singular]" – isn't "shame" always singular, can there be "two shames"?

I can only assume fom the usage that it refers to usages like "a shame."