Change size of note marks?

[weegiegrum]

How do I format the size of endnote marks (the brackets that surround the text)?

I had an issue where the endnotes were generating at a ridiculous font size of 47pt. I don't know why, but it may be picking that up from the v1 template that I'm using?

I've managed to edit the text style to a more reasonable 10pt., but the bracket note marks are still showing at the large size (see picture).

[MikeTO]

Hi. If you use the Note > Format > In Note Body section's Number Style and Note Body Style controls to set the size of the note number and copy, you can edit those styles and the brackets will change automatically. If you've applied formatting manually, then you'll need to position the cursor in the endnote, choose Select All, and apply a size manually. I tested it and this will correct the bracket sizes for that one end note. You'll have to repeat for each note if you did it this way.

Cheers

[weegiegrum]

Hi Mike. Up to now, I have been having to format each endnote manually. I've been trying to change things in the note body dialogue without much success. Whenever I changed the note body style, the numbers would revert to the huge size.

However, I seem to have regained some control by selecting 'footnotes' as the note body style. That has reduced the brackets to normal size. I'll persevere.

I do love this program, but it can be very counter-intuitive at times!

[MikeTO]

4 minutes ago, weegiegrum said:

Hi Mike. Up to now, I have been having to format each endnote manually. I've been trying to change things in the note body dialogue without much success. Whenever I changed the note body style, the numbers would revert to the huge size.

However, I seem to have regained some control by selecting 'footnotes' as the note body style. That has reduced the brackets to normal size. I'll persevere.

I do love this program, but it can be very counter-intuitive at times!

You don't want to do it that way. I suggest:

1. In the Notes panel, click Document-wide.
2. In Format > In Note Body, select a character style for Number Style and a paragraph style for Note Body Style. If you don't have styles already created, create them first and then do this.
3. From the Notes panel's menu, choose Revert All Endnotes to Document Settings.

That should straighten things out for you.

[weegiegrum]

Brilliant! That seems to be doing the trick. I got confused with the text/paragraph/character settings. Thanks!

[weegiegrum]

Sorry, I'm still having problems with endnotes... all my endnote numbers have changed to zero in the endnotes page. They're still correct in the text though. I've tried restarting numbering in whole document, which didn't seem to do anything. When I try and insert a new endnote in the text, I get a new page with a bunch of endnotes (still all numbered 0), and I'm back to the large note marks again. 

I really could do with a custom tutorial on this... 😒

[MikeTO]

Endnotes will all be numbered 0 if the endnote frame is on the same page as the note markers and is higher in the layer stack order than the markers. See the screen recording below where I demonstrate the effect of changing the stack order.

Endnotes will also all be numbered 0 if the endnote frame is on a page before the page(s) that the markers are on.

If neither of these is true for you and your endnotes are numbered 0 I'm unsure what is happening.

Where is all the text for the endnotes? Tip: Always edit endnotes with Text > Show Special Characters On. Otherwise you might place the cursor outside of the endnote brackets and type text there and bad things might happen.

 

 

[weegiegrum]

Hi Mike,

I can see how that's supposed to work, but that's not what's happening. I now seem to have two endnote layers, and the original one now doesn't have any numbers at all. The second layer is what's in the earlier screenshot, it has note marks but no note text. I'm guessing that got created when I tried adding a fresh endnote in the text.

I can't delete that second layer, nor can I move either layer to the top of the stack. I've wasted so much time on this, I think I'm just going to delete the lot and start from scratch.

[MikeTO]

16 minutes ago, weegiegrum said:

Hi Mike,

I can see how that's supposed to work, but that's not what's happening. I now seem to have two endnote layers, and the original one now doesn't have any numbers at all. The second layer is what's in the earlier screenshot, it has note marks but no note text. I'm guessing that got created when I tried adding a fresh endnote in the text.

I can't delete that second layer, nor can I move either layer to the top of the stack. I've wasted so much time on this, I think I'm just going to delete the lot and start from scratch.

Where are your endnotes? There are several options in the Positioning list but the common one is Shared Document Frame. If you select this you can delete the endnotes but deleting the frame that contains them. And you can change the stack order. If you're unable to change the order you're probably using End of Story.

[weegiegrum]

Just to close this off, I managed to get the notes formatted as described except for the note brackets, which were still appearing at a ridiculously large size. I couldn't get to the bottom of this, but I wondered if it had anything to do with me working from a template created in Publisher v1?

Anyway, I gave up and decided it would be quicker just to start from scratch with a new document, which I did, and endnotes are now working as they should.

[MikeTO]

15 minutes ago, weegiegrum said:

Just to close this off, I managed to get the notes formatted as described except for the note brackets, which were still appearing at a ridiculously large size. I couldn't get to the bottom of this, but I wondered if it had anything to do with me working from a template created in Publisher v1?

Anyway, I gave up and decided it would be quicker just to start from scratch with a new document, which I did, and endnotes are now working as they should.

If you still have the old document it might be interesting to try converting them all to footnotes (via the Notes panel menu) and then converting them back to endnotes. That might have cleared it up.

Cheers