Gibt es "Side Bars" in Publisher 2 (wie in Framemaker)?

[ralph890]

Hallo Forum

ein totaler Fan des Satzprogramms "Framemaker" (schon vor Jahren von Adobe uebernommen)
hat mir eines des Killer-Features seines Lieblingsprogramms gezeigt:)

Also ich versuche zu erklaeren, was mir der Satzprogramm-Fan gezeigt hat:

- auf der linken Seite gibt es eine zusaetzliche Spalte, die - soviel ich mich erinnern kann -
  Side-Bar heisst und die Erlaeuterungen zum rechts davon stehenden Haupttext enhaelt.

- diese seitlichen Anmerkungen/Text sind meistens mit einer kleineren Schriftgroesse als 
  der Haupttext (rechts) geschrieben.

- trotz unterschiedlicher Font-Groessen sind die Zeilen in der Side-Bar immer auf
  der gleichen Hoehe wie der Hauptext (in rechter "Spalte"

- wenn Text im Hauptframe(rechts) geaendert wird, "wandert" der Text in der Side-Bar. 

Bei 00:39 des folgenden Framemaker-Tuts "How to insert Text and Images to a Framemaker Side Bar)"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkpzm-nmjZg

 

Frage:
Ist so etwas auch (schon) moeglich in Publisher 2?

Vielen Dank im Voraus fuer Eure Rueckmeldungen!

Lg.

Ralph
 

[MikeTO]

Hi Ralph, yes, but it works differently. There is not "room for side heads" checkbox - it's up to you to leave room for side heads.

Then you'd create the side head as a separate text frame and pin it using Float to where you want it to be. You'll need to use the Pinning panel.

https://affinity.help/publisher2/English.lproj/index.html?page=pages/Panels/pinningPanel.html?title=Pinning panel

Cheers

[v_kyr]

Siehe in der Online Hilfe ...

• Anpinnen von Objekten
• Das Panel "Anpinnen"

[walt.farrell]

46 minutes ago, MikeTO said:

Then you'd create the side head as a separate text frame and pin it using Float to where you want it to be. You'll need to use the Pinning panel.

Perhaps simply using Sidenotes would work?

[Old Bruce]

The only Problem with Walt's suggestion of Sidenotes are the numbers. You have to put up with making a Character Style to be applied to the numbers in both the text and the Sidenote. This should have a 0% opacity setting for the Text Colour.

Then there is the problem of the indent made by the now invisible number. So you have to make a SideNote Paragraph Style which is going to need a left and right offset with a negative offset for the first line.

If there are just a few of these sidenotes then MikeTO's solution is simple and easiest.

 

Via DeepL.com

Das einzige Problem mit Walts Vorschlag für Nebenbemerkungen sind die Zahlen. Sie müssen sich damit abfinden, eine Zeichenvorlage zu erstellen, die auf die Zahlen sowohl im Text als auch in der Randbemerkung angewendet wird. Dieser sollte eine 0%ige Deckkraft für die Textfarbe haben.

Dann gibt es noch das Problem des Einzugs, der durch die nun unsichtbare Zahl entsteht. Sie müssen also einen Absatzstil für die Randnotiz erstellen, der einen linken und rechten Versatz mit einem negativen Versatz für die erste Zeile benötigt.

Wenn es nur ein paar dieser Randbemerkungen gibt, ist die Lösung von MikeTO einfach und am einfachsten.

Übersetzt mit www.DeepL.com/Translator (kostenlose Version)

[walt.farrell]

51 minutes ago, Old Bruce said:

The only Problem with Walt's suggestion of Sidenotes are the numbers. You have to put up with making a Character Style to be applied to the numbers in both the text and the Sidenote. This should have a 0% opacity setting for the Text Colour.

You can simply configure Sidenotes not to include the number at all. The Notes panel gives you complete control over the text that appears before the sidenote content. Just choose not to have any text.

[Old Bruce]

2 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

You can simply configure Sidenotes not to include the number at all. The Notes panel gives you complete control over the text that appears before the sidenote content. Just choose not to have any text.

Thanks. I missed that earlier when I was trying them out. I shall have to try again tomorrow.

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, Old Bruce said:

Thanks. I missed that earlier when I was trying them out. I shall have to try again tomorrow.

You're welcome. In particular, delete the # entries I have marked here:

[ralph890]

Thank you all for your help! Since I am not yet a Publisher user, I do have two more questions:

 

- Does such a sidebar automatically "travel" to the next page, for the case additional text is entered above/outside the sidebar in the regular/main text box ?

- If one part of the sidebar is on page 1 and the second part of the sidebar on page2, are the recangles "open"(= only 3 lines) at the buttom of page 1 and open on the top of page 2 , or are they really a complete recangle (with 4 lines) ?

 

Thank you very much in advance for your feedback!

Ralph

 

[walt.farrell]

2 hours ago, ralph890 said:

Does such a sidebar automatically "travel" to the next page, for the case additional text is entered above/outside the sidebar in the regular/main text box ?

Yes.

2 hours ago, ralph890 said:

If one part of the sidebar is on page 1 and the second part of the sidebar on page2, are the recangles "open"(= only 3 lines) at the buttom of page 1 and open on the top of page 2 , or are they really a complete recangle (with 4 lines) ?

There is no sidebar, per se. The side-note text is placed on the page in the position you specify, but it looks like normal text unless you use a Paragraph Text Style for it that has Decorations enabled.

2 hours ago, ralph890 said:

Since I am not yet a Publisher user,

You could try a 30-day Trial of Publisher, to see how things look.

[thomaso]

Beispiel für's Anpinnen in einer Marginalspalte in Publisher V1: Du kannst verschiedene Objekt-Arten anpinnen und Texte & Objektrahmen wie üblich formatieren, auch Umfließen ist mit angepinnten Objekten kombinierbar. Die Pinning-Optionen sind vielfältig (innerhalb/außerhalb, an Buchstabe oder Absatz, automat. Spiegeln, etc …). Eine automatische Zweiteilung der Rahmenhöhe an Seitenober-/unterkanten findet aber nicht statt (also nur entweder-oder, nicht sowohl als-auch).

[ralph890]

Thank you very much to each of!

Herzlichen Dank Euch allen fuer die wirklich hilfreichen Tipps und das Super HowTo:)

[Galloper]

I've long-used Framemaker, in large part due to its elegant abilities and ease with side heads.

I've been tinkering with Publisher, and side heads are one thing that keeps me from using it alone and dumping all the adobe products I've wasted money on. Seeing this thread gives me new hope that indesign and frame are at their end for me.

Now, if only Publisher would create text frames automatically when creating a new doc, linking each frame across, say, 130 pages. (As Quark (I'm told) and InDesign do.)

[Hangman]

3 hours ago, Galloper said:

Now, if only Publisher would create text frames automatically when creating a new doc, linking each frame across, say, 130 pages. (As Quark (I'm told) and InDesign do.)

If this is to flow text across say 130 pages then you would create a single-page document using a Master page with Linked text frames, place your text in the first text frame and then Shift-Click the Text Overflow icon at the bottom right of the text frame to automatically generate the 129 additional pages which will now all contain linked text frames...

[walt.farrell]

6 hours ago, Galloper said:

Now, if only Publisher would create text frames automatically when creating a new doc, linking each frame across, say, 130 pages. (As Quark (I'm told) and InDesign do.)

In addition to @Hangman's suggestion, note that you can create a Document Template (Help) that will contain a Master Page that contains the Text Frame (or for Facing Pages a pair of linked Text Frames) and then when you use that Template to create a new document it will automatically have Linked Text Frames on all the pages. 

[Hangman]

24 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

When you use that Template to create a new document it will automatically have Linked Text Frames on all the pages. 

Though you'd still have to manually link each page or spread once the 130-page document is created...

[Galloper]

Thanks for the helpful and useful observations/suggestions/comments.

I'll tinker with all your ideas later today. Meanwhile, this sentence gives me pause: "Though you'd still have to manually link each page or spread once the 130-page document is created... "

It's the clumsiness of linking that gives me a headache. Add a page or three, manually link one to the next, and so on. Is it difficult for programmers to allow me to add a page to, say a two page letter (I use DTP software for everything. Microsoft Word? NO!) and have text flow without me having to click and click and... so things flow? I'm no programmer (be grateful: I'd make a mess, for sure) but that basic, I-do-this-a-lot, action would be most useful.

Thanks, again, all.

[MikeTO]

12 minutes ago, Galloper said:

Thanks for the helpful and useful observations/suggestions/comments.

I'll tinker with all your ideas later today. Meanwhile, this sentence gives me pause: "Though you'd still have to manually link each page or spread once the 130-page document is created... "

It's the clumsiness of linking that gives me a headache. Add a page or three, manually link one to the next, and so on. Is it difficult for programmers to allow me to add a page to, say a two page letter (I use DTP software for everything. Microsoft Word? NO!) and have text flow without me having to click and click and... so things flow? I'm no programmer (be grateful: I'd make a mess, for sure) but that basic, I-do-this-a-lot, action would be most useful.

Thanks, again, all.

The AutoFlow feature will create as many pages of text frames as required, all linked together with just one click.